Future of older bmw diesels
Future of older bmw diesels
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geeeman

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1,316 posts

286 months

Monday 30th April 2018
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The new diesel tax rules mostly apply to new cars
But Is it unwise to consider getting a 5 ye old bmw diesel?
Will older diesel cars soon be subject to more tax...?
Its realy unclear if older cars may also be affected in future

E-bmw

13,609 posts

183 months

Monday 30th April 2018
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"New" tax rules have never been retrospectively applied to "older" cars as they have not been measured using the "new" standard.

geeeman

Original Poster:

1,316 posts

286 months

Monday 30th April 2018
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Just thinking longer term will older diesels be subject to tax increases too

E-bmw

13,609 posts

183 months

Monday 30th April 2018
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Like I said "new" tax rules have NEVER been retrospectively applied to "old" rules cars.

Obviously periodically there are "cost of living" adjustments across the board but these are only ever small-fry.

geeeman

Original Poster:

1,316 posts

286 months

Monday 30th April 2018
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All good then

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 30th April 2018
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Not going to do the research but I’m not sure what’s been said is correct.

The major changes haven’t been applied retrospectively but increases far above any ‘cost of living’ increases have, I seem to recall.

A 911 I had from 07 to 14 increased quite significantly. Far above any inflation in that period.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the VED on all diesels increase regardless of their specification and other charges, for entering cities etc, will almost certainly follow more widely.

Maybe the latter is a good example? A few years ago there were no penalties for taking a diesel into a city. Now it’s quite widespread throughout Europe, especially on older cars.

They are going to increase the tax take somewhere. Diesels look a prime candidate, especially older ones. Hence the recent change of attitude in the first place.

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Monday 30th April 2018
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REALIST123 said:
Not going to do the research but I’m not sure what’s been said is correct.

The major changes haven’t been applied retrospectively but increases far above any ‘cost of living’ increases have, I seem to recall.

A 911 I had from 07 to 14 increased quite significantly. Far above any inflation in that period.
This is the problem - not government policy but speculation. People are so busy trying to guess what might happen and talking things down.

A Porsche 911 taxed in 2009 would have been what, Band L or Band M?

2009

L: £415
M: £440

Whereas in 2018, these bands are:

L: £540
M: £555

The 2009 values re-adjusted for inflation over the last 9 years would have been:

L:£526
M: £558

So Band M has not risen at all in real terms and Band L has only gone up by £26 above inflation in almost 10 years.

Sheepshanks

41,294 posts

150 months

Monday 30th April 2018
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E-bmw said:
"New" tax rules have never been retrospectively applied to "older" cars as they have not been measured using the "new" standard.
Other things, like higher fees for accessing or parking in city centres, are being applied retrospectively though.

E-bmw

13,609 posts

183 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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OK, maybe my wording wasn't specific enough when I said "cost of living" I meant just standard across-the-board (because car) rises in tax rates, rather than it just being inflation linked.

Also the point on parking/entering city etc, these (although they are a kind of stealth tax) were not mentioned as it isn't an actual tax on diesel ownership, which is what the OP seemed to be asking.

4rephill

5,171 posts

209 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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geeeman said:
All good then
Yes! - The future's looking really bright for owners of older diesels! rolleyes

geeeman

Original Poster:

1,316 posts

286 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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4rephill said:
Yes! - The future's looking really bright for owners of older diesels! rolleyes
Id say less bright for new diesel owners.
The fact all the major manufacturers still make diesel cars implies they are here to say for a while......

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

272 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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4rephill said:
Yes! - The future's looking really bright for owners of older diesels! rolleyes
It’ll either be scrapped before it matters so much you’re upset.
Or it’ll be still cheaper than new despite a few price hikes, because it’s old and lost all it’s value.

Old car has different mix of expenses and benefits vs new car ‘shocker’


My R32 Golf does 22mpg and costs £540 to tax, oh noes.

But it’s still peanuts next to running a lot of other newer cars which depreciate like bricks.

Mr Tidy

31,779 posts

158 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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geeeman said:
4rephill said:
Yes! - The future's looking really bright for owners of older diesels! rolleyes
Id say less bright for new diesel owners.
The fact all the major manufacturers still make diesel cars implies they are here to say for a while......
They may be making them, but from what I've read less people are buying them!

Anyway if the older BMW diesels have the N47 engine the cam-chains will have killed them before it becomes an issue! laugh

ninjag

1,951 posts

150 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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E-bmw said:
"New" tax rules have never been retrospectively applied to "older" cars as they have not been measured using the "new" standard.
Didn't Gordon Brown's Road Tax increases in 2006 retrospectively effect earlier cars?

Fox-

13,575 posts

277 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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ninjag said:
E-bmw said:
"New" tax rules have never been retrospectively applied to "older" cars as they have not been measured using the "new" standard.
Didn't Gordon Brown's Road Tax increases in 2006 retrospectively effect earlier cars?
It was planned too but backlash stopped it and pre 23 March 2006 registered cars avoided it.

stewart rix

245 posts

248 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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The additional 'dirty diesel' charge for central London applies to any pre-Euro 6 compliant vehicles and is likely to be the same model for other cities too. So, whilst road tax is higher on new vehicles (and in particular for those costing >£40k) there will be a financial disadvantage to the older diesels if you need to travel into those affected cities/areas.

Boyblue2

14 posts

112 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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If you are considering an upto 5 year old car then it will be Euro 6 spec, which is less co2 than the petrol equivalent.

Maracus

4,553 posts

199 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Boyblue2 said:
If you are considering an upto 5 year old car then it will be Euro 6 spec, which is less co2 than the petrol equivalent.
Not all are EU6.

A good place to check is to put the reg into the TFL ULEZ website to see if the charge applies.