The 'N' word
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LeadFarmer

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7,411 posts

161 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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In films and on TV black people are often heard to use the 'N' word when referring to each other. I assume because they have taken a grossly offensive word, one that has historically been used against them by white people, and turned it around as an acceptable word for them to use when referring to each other in certain circumstances. Maybe a way of showing how they have moved on and risen above those racists who have insulted their ancestors over so many years?

But having heard it tonight whilst watching a film on TV, it got me wondering if its a word that really needs to be used at all anymore. Or have I misunderstood its meaning/context?

If a word is offensive, then should it be offensive no matter who uses it? Does the acceptance of this word mean that other offensive words used against other cultures/minorities should be acceptable if used by just by them?

Just got me wondering, thats all smile


grumpy52

6,072 posts

196 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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The word came from them in the first place .
Something a lot of people forget .

paul.deitch

2,315 posts

287 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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grumpy52 said:
The word came from them in the first place .
Something a lot of people forget .
Mmmm, really? Please give me the etymology of that so I can check it out for myself. My understanding was that it came from the Latin root.

tribbles

4,170 posts

252 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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My wife was wondering why I was laughing so much during the film "Keanu" whilst on a flight back from Mexico. She didn't think it was that funny.

The reason was that whenever the "N" word was spoken, it was dubbed "ninja". There were so many ninjas in the dialogue, it was ridiculous.

StanleyT

1,994 posts

109 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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Where I work has become quite "PC" in terms of rules, discrimination etc after the company getting caught out and fined at court level in the past.

So it was quite good to see as we we all gathering for a team brief, one new team member going up to another new team member (small industry - they knew each other from elsewhere) and saying "Yo, Mo, me hommie how is my white boy now he is back in the fold". You could see the seething on the faces that wanted to be outraged, you could see the manager thinking that he should say something and you could see the African skinned guy and the perfectly Aryan german he'd just spoke too looking like nothing had ever happened.

And nothing was ever said?

hyphen

26,262 posts

120 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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LeadFarmer said:
In films and on TV black people are often heard to use the 'N' word when referring to each other...
Although the writer/director is often white! Tarantino for example.

grumpy52

6,072 posts

196 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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paul.deitch said:
grumpy52 said:
The word came from them in the first place .
Something a lot of people forget .
Mmmm, really? Please give me the etymology of that so I can check it out for myself. My understanding was that it came from the Latin root.
The version I am led to belive stems from Negra which got turned about over time , I may be way off the mark but this is from the West Indian guys that I used to work with 30 yrs ago.


MarkwG

5,929 posts

219 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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grumpy52 said:
paul.deitch said:
grumpy52 said:
The word came from them in the first place .
Something a lot of people forget .
Mmmm, really? Please give me the etymology of that so I can check it out for myself. My understanding was that it came from the Latin root.
The version I am led to belive stems from Negra which got turned about over time , I may be way off the mark but this is from the West Indian guys that I used to work with 30 yrs ago.
Nope, as above, from the Latin, "niger" meaning "black"

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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LeadFarmer said:
If a word is offensive, then should it be offensive no matter who uses it?
No.

LeadFarmer said:
Does the acceptance of this word mean that other offensive words used against other cultures/minorities should be acceptable if used by just by them?
No.

Hope that helps.

Johnspex

5,261 posts

214 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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StanleyT said:
Where I work has become quite "PC" in terms of rules, discrimination etc after the company getting caught out and fined at court level in the past.

So it was quite good to see as we we all gathering for a team brief, one new team member going up to another new team member (small industry - they knew each other from elsewhere) and saying "Yo, Mo, me hommie how is my white boy now he is back in the fold". You could see the seething on the faces that wanted to be outraged, you could see the manager thinking that he should say something and you could see the African skinned guy and the perfectly Aryan german he'd just spoke too looking like nothing had ever happened.

And nothing was ever said?
Don't know. Why are you asking us?

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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StanleyT said:
Where I work has become quite "PC" in terms of rules, discrimination etc after the company getting caught out and fined at court level in the past.

So it was quite good to see as we we all gathering for a team brief, one new team member going up to another new team member (small industry - they knew each other from elsewhere) and saying "Yo, Mo, me hommie how is my white boy now he is back in the fold". You could see the seething on the faces that wanted to be outraged, you could see the manager thinking that he should say something and you could see the African skinned guy and the perfectly Aryan german he'd just spoke too looking like nothing had ever happened.

And nothing was ever said?
A prime example of all that is up with our world.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 2nd May 00:01

rufusgti

2,573 posts

222 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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Denzel Washington, ‘Training Day’
“ Maaaaa N***a! “

Brilliant film and incredibly well played by DW, in my opinion.

80sMatchbox

3,998 posts

206 months

Tuesday 1st May 2018
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"African skinned"

laughlaugh





Mark300zx

1,447 posts

282 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Has it become socially acceptable for it to be only used by the black section of the community?

Is that racist?

Edited by Mark300zx on Saturday 5th May 10:05

glenrobbo

40,508 posts

180 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Is it OK to use the 'N word' as a nickname for anyone called Nigel? wink


Sorry.
Just a thought. Couldn't help it.


getmecoat

Leicester Loyal

5,041 posts

152 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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It's a generation thing. I think a lot of older black gentleman find the word highly offence and the worst thing that you can be called. I know some who can't even comprehend caling it someone and they can't believe others do so freely! However a lot of the younger generation will gladly call it each other without even a second thought.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Thread for the gammon faces...


The word was used as a derogatory term to slaves then evolved to racists and people putting down that race.

I guess the word was then used by black people to sort of turn it around as a term of brotherhood, quite interesting and has happened a few times with other words. Probably to take the empowerment back. I heard people from Pakistan use the derogatory term themselves as well

BJG1

5,966 posts

242 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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StanleyT said:
Where I work has become quite "PC" in terms of rules, discrimination etc after the company getting caught out and fined at court level in the past.

So it was quite good to see as we we all gathering for a team brief, one new team member going up to another new team member (small industry - they knew each other from elsewhere) and saying "Yo, Mo, me hommie how is my white boy now he is back in the fold". You could see the seething on the faces that wanted to be outraged, you could see the manager thinking that he should say something and you could see the African skinned guy and the perfectly Aryan german he'd just spoke too looking like nothing had ever happened.

And nothing was ever said?
This definitely happened.

gtidriver

3,717 posts

217 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Leicester Loyal said:
It's a generation thing. I think a lot of older black gentleman find the word highly offence and the worst thing that you can be called. I know some who can't even comprehend caling it someone and they can't believe others do so freely! However a lot of the younger generation will gladly call it each other without even a second thought.
Nope my South African wife says the word that sounds like Jaffa but starts with a k is much worse than the n word..

Shuvi McTupya

24,460 posts

277 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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tribbles said:
My wife was wondering why I was laughing so much during the film "Keanu" whilst on a flight back from Mexico. She didn't think it was that funny.

The reason was that whenever the "N" word was spoken, it was dubbed "ninja". There were so many ninjas in the dialogue, it was ridiculous.
Much like watching the sanitised version of Blazing Saddles..the whole dialogue is ruined in a quest to make a very un PC movie acceptable to 'snowflakes' . Just don't broadcast it if you have to ruin it to do so!!