What to do with surplus funds?
What to do with surplus funds?
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jonspectre

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65 posts

103 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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Nice problem to have, I appreciate.

My partner and I both currently pay into a S&S ISA, Lifetime ISA and both put in a good amount per month into a SIPP in addition to our workplace pensions.

We have a joint Sandander Select account which pays interest up to £20k. We're now over this balance and it's increasing every month by £2-3k - clearly the amount over £20k is not earning anything in terms of interest. We have the usual regular savers, but at a few hundred a month the problem remains and we get the problem of what to do with the lump sum at the end of the term.

Having already maxed out our ISA allowances and pension contributions (not quite as good as it sounds, as I have a final salary workplace scheme and recent salary increases mean that my annual allowance needs to be carefully monitored) I'm not quite sure what to do with the surplus balance.

I don't think we're at the level of needing an IFA, but any pointers would be welcome.


GT03ROB

14,024 posts

251 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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jonspectre said:
I don't think we're at the level of needing an IFA, but any pointers would be welcome.
I'd suggest based on what you've posted you probably do!

Douglas Quaid

2,639 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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Treat yourself to a great big motherfking tv!

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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jonspectre said:
Nice problem to have, I appreciate.

My partner and I both currently pay into a S&S ISA, Lifetime ISA and both put in a good amount per month into a SIPP in addition to our workplace pensions.

We have a joint Sandander Select account which pays interest up to £20k. We're now over this balance and it's increasing every month by £2-3k - clearly the amount over £20k is not earning anything in terms of interest. We have the usual regular savers, but at a few hundred a month the problem remains and we get the problem of what to do with the lump sum at the end of the term.

Having already maxed out our ISA allowances and pension contributions (not quite as good as it sounds, as I have a final salary workplace scheme and recent salary increases mean that my annual allowance needs to be carefully monitored) I'm not quite sure what to do with the surplus balance.

I don't think we're at the level of needing an IFA, but any pointers would be welcome.
As you're under 40, I'd guess you have a mortgage so pay it off.

xeny

5,484 posts

108 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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jonspectre said:
any pointers would be welcome.
VCTs.

Also it's perfectly practical to invest in equities outside a pension or ISA wrapper - think about assets to optimise use of CGT allowance vs dividend allowance.

jonspectre

Original Poster:

65 posts

103 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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Badda said:
As you're under 40, I'd guess you have a mortgage so pay it off.
That went last year and no desire to move house.

NickCQ

5,392 posts

126 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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Retire / reduce working hours?
Pick up an expensive hobby, i.e boats, horses, hard drugs etc etc?

jonspectre

Original Poster:

65 posts

103 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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NickCQ said:
Retire / reduce working hours?
Pick up an expensive hobby, i.e boats, horses, hard drugs etc etc?
Thanks. Looking to change up the car for something a little more potentially ruinous in due course... but not quite yet.

I'm not yet 35 and enjoy my work, so don't really want to change that.

More looking for places to dump the money having exhausted the usual recommendations of SIPP/ISAs.

bogie

17,081 posts

302 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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Invest in some funds in a normal trading account, sure you will have to pay tax eventually, but if you have a joint account CGT allowance is over £20k a year of profit....it may take you some years to build up funds that make more than £20k a year in profit to worry about taxes....

BoRED S2upid

21,057 posts

270 months

Saturday 12th May 2018
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Premium bonds? See who wins the most each month it’s fun.

NickCQ

5,392 posts

126 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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jonspectre said:
NickCQ said:
Retire / reduce working hours?
Pick up an expensive hobby, i.e boats, horses, hard drugs etc etc?
Thanks. Looking to change up the car for something a little more potentially ruinous in due course... but not quite yet.

I'm not yet 35 and enjoy my work, so don't really want to change that.

More looking for places to dump the money having exhausted the usual recommendations of SIPP/ISAs.
Do you have kids? I think there are a whole raft of extra savings vehicles that you can use if you do.
Otherwise what I do is use the Vanguard direct platform to put savings in excess of SIPP/ISA/Mortgage overpayment directly into low-cost index tracking funds.

Without wishing to sound sanctimonious or 'PH' about it, the other thing I did as my income increased was increase my charitable giving in line... that can easily get forgotten.

6bop

71 posts

101 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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I'd set up an investment fund outside your SIPP and ISA and enjoy trading. Look at Hargreaves landsdowne as a fund supermarket, or Interactive Investor as a couple of easy ways to get started.

red_slr

20,761 posts

219 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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Pension fully paid up - check.
ISA fully paid up - check.
No mortgage - check.

You Sir, have won the game.

For low risk, NS&I would be somewhere to start parking the extra for a while.

Property might also be something I would be considering once you have built up a pot big enough to purchase something like a small semi or 2 up 2 down with cash. Any plans for a second home in retirement? That could be something you could look to buy also?

Something you are probably underestimating might be your tax situation in retirement though by the sounds of it.

An IFA is defo worth looking at, although you are going to need to accept its not going to be cheap.

ringram

14,701 posts

278 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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xeny said:
VCTs.

Also it's perfectly practical to invest in equities outside a pension or ISA wrapper - think about assets to optimise use of CGT allowance vs dividend allowance.
+1 thats what I did.

VCT give you a nice tax credit.
Also Growth stocks as cap gains is less than marginal tax rates

Also NS and I as its guaranteed for your emergency/rainy day fund.

I assume you have repaid any mortgage? Better that than any NS and I stuff IMO.

After that, there is also EIS funds, Angel Investing etc. Lots of good options for tax credits and so forth. You just need to manage the risks as you enter the risky end of the spectrum. Hence IMO you should retire all debt first.

JulianPH

10,084 posts

144 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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Just replicate the holding in your SIPP/ISA in a general investment account with your SIPP/ISA provider.

At the level of money you are talking about your dividend allowance should ensure there is no tax on the dividends and your CGT allowance do the same on any growth.

Simples!

mikef

6,158 posts

281 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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Surplus funds problem? Definitely a IFA

By the time they’ve dipped their paws in, you won’t have that problem much longer

Chainsaw Rebuild

2,137 posts

132 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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You obviously need a IFA mate.

85Carrera

3,503 posts

267 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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mikef said:
Surplus funds problem? Definitely a IFA.

By the time they’ve dipped their paws in, you won’t have that problem much longer
This is the most sensible advice re IFAs.

Avoid them.

Deesee

8,509 posts

113 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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As others may have mentioned...

Premium bonds

Land

Overseas property (ski/sun)?

Kids? Pension & junior isa for them...


Condi

20,371 posts

201 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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You're under 35 and struggling to find something to do with spare cash?

fk me, are you that lacking in imagination? There is a big world out there to enjoy, and plenty of things to splash out on - take your pick from holidays, hobbies, eating out, simply investing more in property or shares....basically do whatever you like with it! Personally I'd spend more on holidays, short breaks and eating out, your interests may differ, but to not know what to do with it.... you need to try harder!