AYGO, Peugeot 107, C1
Discussion
I am looking for small run-around car for my daughter up to about £2,500. I have been told that a Toyota AYGO, Peugeot 107, Citroen C1 age better than the 998cc Vauxhall Corsa.
Saw an 58 plate 75,000m (price £1995) Toyota AYGO yesterday - the exhaust seemed noisy when driven but exhaust looked in good condition - salesman said they are all noisy. Engine seemed OK, Clutch felt quite high - gear-change a bit sloppy.
Are these generally a good small car and what do I need to look out for when test driving the AYGO / 107 / C1 in this age group ?
Saw an 58 plate 75,000m (price £1995) Toyota AYGO yesterday - the exhaust seemed noisy when driven but exhaust looked in good condition - salesman said they are all noisy. Engine seemed OK, Clutch felt quite high - gear-change a bit sloppy.
Are these generally a good small car and what do I need to look out for when test driving the AYGO / 107 / C1 in this age group ?
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The early ones (which would include this 2008 car) had rather undersized 180mm clutch plates fitted that didn't last at all well. These were later upgraded to the larger 190mm clutch used in the Yaris, which can also be retrofitted to the earlier cars. If it's on the original clutch and the pedal is high, then the clutch may not be long for this world.
They all have a buzzy engine note because they're only 3-cylinder engines. As before the clutch is the main problem with these cars. Other than that they've been known to let water puddle in the spare wheel well due to leaky boot seals and third brake light.
We've had a 2007 107 in the family for eight years, been a brilliant little car. Recommend the five door version over the three door, same external dimensions but easier to gain access to the back given the small boot. Also less likely to ding other cars in car parks given the shorter doors in the 5dr model.
107, C1 and Aygo all built on the same line in the Czech Republic, reliability is equal across all models. Really it's down to your own choice of styling.
We've had a 2007 107 in the family for eight years, been a brilliant little car. Recommend the five door version over the three door, same external dimensions but easier to gain access to the back given the small boot. Also less likely to ding other cars in car parks given the shorter doors in the 5dr model.
107, C1 and Aygo all built on the same line in the Czech Republic, reliability is equal across all models. Really it's down to your own choice of styling.
janesmith1950 said:
The noisy exhaust is normal. I had a C1 for 60k miles and it was always thus. It was very reliable and frugal (petrol).
My experience too. My mum had an Aygo for eight years. Very raspy engine (not in a good way, but that's subjective!) and surprisingly buzzy for a modern car, especially on the motorway (not its design forte, of course). You can tell that the low price was acheived at the expense of refinement - lots of tyre, exhaust and high-frequency 'thrumming' noise. Generally felt very tinny. But that's much better than them cheaping-out on the stuff that actually matters and it was absolutely faultless and very economical in terms of both fuel consumption and servicing/tyres. IIRC the only fault it ever had was one weeping rear brake cylinder. It was a 5-door Aygo Blue with air-con, electric front windows and bluetooth. As far as buying checks go, the only long-term issues I'm aware of are the seals on the rear hatch/window (and in some cases the glass themselves cracking or crazing around the strut) and leaky water pumps. The short-lived clutch on the early models has aleady been mentioned. I think Mum's Aygo was affected by the recall for the sticky throttle potentiometers but not because it had the symptoms but just because it was in the right VIN range.
I wouldnt say they are noisy though but I got an complete cat back system for my sons 08 C1 for £79 from Ebay delivered , they do sound a bit strange being a 3 pot imo , but are exellent cars , I found strange feeling clutch and poor gearbox pretty standard for the ones I have driven
We paid £1800 for my sons 08 C1 back in 2016 on a private sale
We paid £1800 for my sons 08 C1 back in 2016 on a private sale
Muddle238 said:
Really it's down to your own choice of styling.
Fairly substantial differences in typical spec, too.When Toyota had their massive recall worldwide a few years back, almost all Aygos were subject to it. About half of 107s, and virtually no C1s. That was because the "simple" cars had throttle cables, while the ones with cruise/flappy-paddle/etc were much more electronically complex.
I'd be looking for a simple one, a decade down the line.
TooMany2cvs said:
Fairly substantial differences in typical spec, too.
When Toyota had their massive recall worldwide a few years back, almost all Aygos were subject to it. About half of 107s, and virtually no C1s. That was because the "simple" cars had throttle cables, while the ones with cruise/flappy-paddle/etc were much more electronically complex.
I'd be looking for a simple one, a decade down the line.
Do all of the AYGOs and the higher spec Peugeot107s built since launch have the more complex throttle which was recalled instead of a cable ?When Toyota had their massive recall worldwide a few years back, almost all Aygos were subject to it. About half of 107s, and virtually no C1s. That was because the "simple" cars had throttle cables, while the ones with cruise/flappy-paddle/etc were much more electronically complex.
I'd be looking for a simple one, a decade down the line.
I am using ours at the moment, its a stand in/shopping/;earner car for the kids and I love it, bought it nearly new seven years ago and its done 26k with us, all its had is four tyres, front disks and pads, some oil changes and a battery.
Total cost of about £500.
It just sits there when not used and doesnt deteriorate, will keep it indefinitely, costs £200 a year to tax and insure, its only worth a couple of grand so more use to keep than to sell.
They got it spot on with these for the money, tough, simple, frugal and even a bit of fun.
Total cost of about £500.
It just sits there when not used and doesnt deteriorate, will keep it indefinitely, costs £200 a year to tax and insure, its only worth a couple of grand so more use to keep than to sell.
They got it spot on with these for the money, tough, simple, frugal and even a bit of fun.
TooMany2cvs said:
Fairly substantial differences in typical spec, too.
When Toyota had their massive recall worldwide a few years back, almost all Aygos were subject to it. About half of 107s, and virtually no C1s. That was because the "simple" cars had throttle cables, while the ones with cruise/flappy-paddle/etc were much more electronically complex.
I'd be looking for a simple one, a decade down the line.
The recall only affected the Aygo Automatics (MMT) the same for the 107 2tronic.When Toyota had their massive recall worldwide a few years back, almost all Aygos were subject to it. About half of 107s, and virtually no C1s. That was because the "simple" cars had throttle cables, while the ones with cruise/flappy-paddle/etc were much more electronically complex.
I'd be looking for a simple one, a decade down the line.
Citroen didn’t offer the automatic C1 until after the recall. Hope this clears it up.
TooMany2cvs said:
AIUI, yes. Lowspec= cable. Highspec = Flybywire. C1s tended to be lower than 107s, Aygos tended to be loaded.
I must admit that I like the idea of the more simple versions like the C1s with manual widows as there will be less to go wrong. - my daughter will have to go to local a London garage to get any mechanical repairs done as I am 130 miles away.Edited by MSC_27 on Monday 14th May 21:42
Had our Aygo for around 8 years and 60k miles. Totally brilliant little car.
Never goes wrong, though the clutch did get a bit juddery so I took it for an upgraded one at my local friendly garage. He did an oil service and MOT at the same time and the bill was £303!
Mine leaks a bit, but such is life and they do indeed return 60mpg with no effort.
Even yesterday's bird strike (Pheasant, they really are stupid), which has resulted in a smashed headlight unit, will only cost a few quid to fix.
I doubt mine has more than 50 horses left under the bonnet but it's an eager little thing and you can chuck it around all day long.
Never goes wrong, though the clutch did get a bit juddery so I took it for an upgraded one at my local friendly garage. He did an oil service and MOT at the same time and the bill was £303!
Mine leaks a bit, but such is life and they do indeed return 60mpg with no effort.
Even yesterday's bird strike (Pheasant, they really are stupid), which has resulted in a smashed headlight unit, will only cost a few quid to fix.
I doubt mine has more than 50 horses left under the bonnet but it's an eager little thing and you can chuck it around all day long.
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