Loading outside my house PCN PARKING TICKET

[0snowboarder]

Hi all i was loading outside my house, the car was not open or anything and the door was closed but i was packing boxes and moving a fridge from the back to the house come outside and find a parking ticket on my car.

he observed it for only 6 minutes. !

this is what i found on the net.

The observation period was only 6 minutes which is under the Operational period stated in the Guidance to Local Authorities: Parking Policy and Enforcement November 2010, the Department for Transport states in section 8.51 The recommended casual observation should be at least 20 minutes long and will not require the enforcing officer to remain in the area for the duration.

worth a try?? I mean what a penis.

any advice.

i know i can load on double yellow. just they ask to upload photo evidence as well i think

[TooMany2cvs]

0snowboarder said:

the car was not open or anything and the door was closed but i was packing boxes and moving a fridge from the back to the house

That's not loading.

[7795]

Single Yellow, Double Yellow, Loading Bay, Bus Stop...where were you parked if it was not ok to park there?

[DaveH23]

7795 said:

Single Yellow, Double Yellow, Loading Bay, Bus Stop...where were you parked if it was not ok to park there?

Double yellow according to his post.

[OzzyR1]

I would try posting a thread here:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=SF&s=&...

Some knowledgeable people on that forum for parking related matters.

[0snowboarder]

I was parked on double yellows out side my house. loading the car ... according to the high way code you can park on double yellow when loading.

[PurpleMoonlight]

You weren't loading when observed. Can you prove you were?

[0snowboarder]

PurpleMoonlight said:

You weren't loading when observed. Can you prove you were?

How shall i do that take a photo of the fridge in my car and put a date on the photos ?

[Riley Blue]

0snowboarder said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

You weren't loading when observed. Can you prove you were?

How shall i do that take a photo of the fridge in my car and put a date on the photos ?

The fridge that you loaded after the ticket was issued. At the time of the ticket, you weren't loading, you've admitted it:

"Hi all i was loading outside my house, the car was not open or anything and the door was closed but i was packing boxes and moving a fridge from the back to the house come outside and find a parking ticket on my car. "

[Zigster]

0snowboarder said:

I was parked on double yellows out side my house. loading the car ... according to the high way code you can park on double yellow when loading.

Which part of the HC says that? From a quick look I only saw:

Rule 238
You MUST NOT wait or park on yellow lines during the times of operation shown on nearby time plates (or zone entry signs if in a Controlled Parking Zone) – see ‘Traffic signs’ and ‘Road markings’. Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting at any time even if there are no upright signs. You MUST NOT wait or park, or stop to set down and pick up passengers, on school entrance markings (see ‘Road markings’) when upright signs indicate a prohibition of stopping.

Law RTRA sects 5 & 8

[Nickyboy]

Warden observes a car on double yellows for 6 mins with doors closed etc and issues ticket. Don't see the problem, if the doors were open and you were going back and forth then yes you would have an argument but as far as the warden observed the car was parked.

[sherbertdip]

0snowboarder said:

Hi all i was loading outside my house, the car was not open or anything and the door was closed but i was packing boxes and moving a fridge from the back to the house come outside and find a parking ticket on my car.

I mean what a penis.

any advice.

i know i can load on double yellow. just they ask to upload photo evidence as well i think

The only advice I can give is don't stop on double yellows, and you are correct, you are a penis.

[Red Devil]

Zigster said:

0snowboarder said:

I was parked on double yellows out side my house. loading the car ... according to the high way code you can park on double yellow when loading.

Which part of the HC says that? From a quick look I only saw:

Rule 238
You MUST NOT wait or park on yellow lines during the times of operation shown on nearby time plates (or zone entry signs if in a Controlled Parking Zone) – see ‘Traffic signs’ and ‘Road markings’. Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting at any time even if there are no upright signs. You MUST NOT wait or park, or stop to set down and pick up passengers, on school entrance markings (see ‘Road markings’) when upright signs indicate a prohibition of stopping.

Law RTRA sects 5 & 8

As is so often the case the gov.uk site only gives half the story.
The HC is advisory: you need to go to the fountainhead (see below).

DYLs only mean no waiting. They do not prohibit loading/unloading. That requires more paint (often supplemented by signage).
The latter prohibition is marked by double yellow stripes at right angles to the edge of the kerb/road edge.
TSRGD 2016 Part 4 - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedu...
Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 5 Section 20 page 116 - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

A handy summary of the various different types of restrictions/prohibitions is here - https://www.stoneacre.co.uk/blog/2017/02/17/parkin...

[KevinCamaroSS]

Since the OP was actually 'parked' it does not matter if 'loading' is permitted.

[PurpleMoonlight]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Since the OP was actually 'parked' it does not matter if 'loading' is permitted.

Can you load without parking?

Putting stuff in a moving vehicle is a bit of a bugger.

[KevinCamaroSS]

PurpleMoonlight said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

Since the OP was actually 'parked' it does not matter if 'loading' is permitted.

Can you load without parking?

Putting stuff in a moving vehicle is a bit of a bugger.

Don't try and be smart. To be loading the vehicle needs to be unlocked, have loading doors open and likely people moving to and from with boxes etc. A car locked up outside a house with the doors closed is not loading, it is parked.

[PurpleMoonlight]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Don't try and be smart. To be loading the vehicle needs to be unlocked, have loading doors open and likely people moving to and from with boxes etc. A car locked up outside a house with the doors closed is not loading, it is parked.

And if it the stuff inside should get stolen when unattended?

[TooMany2cvs]

PurpleMoonlight said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

Since the OP was actually 'parked' it does not matter if 'loading' is permitted.

Can you load without parking?

No, but you can park without loading.

As the OP did.

He parked, fannied about with stuff, then was about to start loading when he found he'd been correctly ticketed.

The correct way to do it would be park elsewhere, fanny with stuff so it's ready for loading, then get the car and load.

[p4cks]

TooMany2cvs said:

No, but you can park without loading.

As the OP did.

He parked, fannied about with stuff, then was about to start loading when he found he'd been correctly ticketed.

The correct way to do it would be park elsewhere, fanny with stuff so it's ready for loading, then get the car and load.

This pretty much explains it all, OP I sympathise with you but you'll be lucky to get off with this one

[InitialDave]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Don't try and be smart. To be loading the vehicle needs to be unlocked, have loading doors open and likely people moving to and from with boxes etc. A car locked up outside a house with the doors closed is not loading, it is parked.

Is that actually defined?

The OP was delivering a fridge to a house, so it's reasonable to count that as loading.

We don't know how long he actually left the car there, just thar the time it was observed to decide it wasn't loading was 6 minutes. Is this sufficient time? Is this defined at all?

If the doors being closed and locked means it cannot be loading, why would any time be taken to observe and decide?