Fanbelt failure
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Dr Jekyll

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23,820 posts

292 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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A workmates fanbelt started squeaking as he arrived at work today. Can anyone make a rough guess how many miles he might be able to do before it snaps? Ford Focus, petrol, 1,8 I think.

trickywoo

14,274 posts

261 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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It’s more accurately known as a drive belt.

As such it depends what it’s driving and whether those components themselves have a problem.

If we assume not and neither oil or coolant are getting on the belt it could last a good long while if it’s only slipping intermittently. If it’s contantly slipping it won’t last too long.

Chap with a truck that parked outside my office had a slipping belt for at least a year. Seemed to slip on full lock parking.

williamp

20,464 posts

304 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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Fan belt? Cam belt? Power steering belt? Aircon belt? Some cars have loads of belts. Others, just the one

750turbo

6,164 posts

255 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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williamp said:
Fan belt? Cam belt? Power steering belt? Aircon belt? Some cars have loads of belts. Others, just the one
You are Norris and ICMFP...

OP - it will probably be ok whatever it is, just tell him to get it checked soon though. (Do not spray it with WD40...)

Olivergt

2,286 posts

112 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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Best thing would be to open the bonnet and take a look, is the belt just loose, or is it all frayed and ready to let go.

It's possible that it's just stretched a little and just needs tightening. I had a car once where if you went through a big puddle it would throw water onto the belt which would then squeak for a few minutes, This was cured by simply tightening up a bit.

Might also be when the aircon kicks in, that puts more strain on the belt, and if it's a little loose will cause it to squeal.

As mentioned at the beginning, someone needs to take a look.

Hope this helps.

rxe

6,700 posts

134 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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Spray it with water.

If it goes quiet for a few seconds, then the belt is either a bit loose (tensioner) or worn. If the water makes no difference, then something the belt is driving is knackered.

Aux belts do just wear out - they may not be frayed, but all the little grooves underneath will be worn away.

As above, do not oil it. That will fuX0r it up in short order.

Dr Jekyll

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23,820 posts

292 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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Thanks everyone, I'll see if he manages to drive into work tomorrow.

louiechevy

771 posts

224 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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Ford fitted some of their engines with stretch belts, so it may not have a tensioner.

grumpy52

6,079 posts

197 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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I will re-tell a tale of woe concerning a fan belt .
We had a customer with a xantia estate that we replaced a heater matrix on , a costly and involved process that produced a substantial bill .
We told the customer that his auxiliary belt was getting a bit frayed and should be replaced . He declined and a few days later departed for the South of France on a family holiday .
Of course the inevitable happened , it shredded ,wrapping itself around the other belts and pulleys and locking it all up . This broke the camshaft into 3 pieces , bent or broke 7 valves and wrecked the head . His misery didn't end there as he hadn't renewed his European breakdown cover so had to hire another vehicle for his holiday , pay for the recovery back to the UK and get his family back to the UK .
It cost him about £3k for the recovery,hire car and flights home + the £1100 he had paid for the previous repairs and he was left with a scrap car .
All for the sake of a £10 belt .
Get the thing sorted out .

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

315 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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louiechevy said:
Ford fitted some of their engines with stretch belts, so it may not have a tensioner.
I've not heard of that. How do they avoid stretching under load? If they were dynamically stretching as the belt is loaded and unloaded I'd expect that to generate a lot of heat and wear.

curlie467

7,650 posts

232 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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GreenV8S said:
louiechevy said:
Ford fitted some of their engines with stretch belts, so it may not have a tensioner.
I've not heard of that. How do they avoid stretching under load? If they were dynamically stretching as the belt is loaded and unloaded I'd expect that to generate a lot of heat and wear.
He's right, I'm pretty sure these have no adjustment, just a spring loaded tensioner that you release to get the belt on and off.

Megaflow

11,649 posts

256 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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GreenV8S said:
louiechevy said:
Ford fitted some of their engines with stretch belts, so it may not have a tensioner.
I've not heard of that. How do they avoid stretching under load? If they were dynamically stretching as the belt is loaded and unloaded I'd expect that to generate a lot of heat and wear.
http://www.daycoproducts.com/dayco®-ela®-belt

The have a very high initial installation load, that drops off to a normal load quickly. Very useful if you have difficulty packaging a tensioner. But, they are not great at transmitting power as a standard tensioned belt.

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

315 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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Megaflow said:
http://www.daycoproducts.com/dayco®-ela®...

The have a very high initial installation load, that drops off to a normal load quickly. Very useful if you have difficulty packaging a tensioner. But, they are not great at transmitting power as a standard tensioned belt.
Interesting. Still trying to get my head around how they avoid cyclic stretching and relaxing as the belt travels between the loaded and unloaded parts of its path. Or, if they don't avoid it, how they avoid losing a lot of energy as a result.

louiechevy

771 posts

224 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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They are an absolute pain to fit mostly when you trap your finger trying to get it on! If the old one hasn't broken you cut it off and fit a tool onto the crank pulley and turn the engine over by hand to more or less force it on, hate them stupid idea.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

286 months

Thursday 14th June 2018
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GreenV8S said:
Interesting. Still trying to get my head around how they avoid cyclic stretching and relaxing as the belt travels between the loaded and unloaded parts of its path. Or, if they don't avoid it, how they avoid losing a lot of energy as a result.
I think you are imagining something like a weak rubber band, they aren't stretchy in the same way. If you've ever changed the drive belt in a tape or record deck you'd understand the difference; the belts are quite stiff and accurately sized to required a well defined and quite small amount of stretch to be fitted.

Some elasticity in the drive is also a good thing to dampen shock loads etc.