My engine has destroyed itself
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Don’t know why i’m posting this, just feeling very sorry for myself.
I have a 2012 Daytona, owned from new, now on 15,000 miles. Absolutely mint. Always serviced at Triumph dealer and on schedule.
Recently noticed a vibration tyre of noise, sounded like something coming loose. I have an annual service booked for next month but worried in case it’s something mechanical. So popped into dealers this morning for a quick check. He started the engine and immediately diagnosed big end failure! Absolutely gutted.
I can’t understand it. Such failures are always caused by oil starvation, but oil level never been below minimum and oil warning light has never been on.
Probably fed up 😢
I have a 2012 Daytona, owned from new, now on 15,000 miles. Absolutely mint. Always serviced at Triumph dealer and on schedule.
Recently noticed a vibration tyre of noise, sounded like something coming loose. I have an annual service booked for next month but worried in case it’s something mechanical. So popped into dealers this morning for a quick check. He started the engine and immediately diagnosed big end failure! Absolutely gutted.
I can’t understand it. Such failures are always caused by oil starvation, but oil level never been below minimum and oil warning light has never been on.
Probably fed up 😢
pasmith73 said:
Don’t know why i’m posting this, just feeling very sorry for myself.
I have a 2012 Daytona, owned from new, now on 15,000 miles. Absolutely mint. Always serviced at Triumph dealer and on schedule.
Probably fed up ??
Gutted for you myself mate, id be pretty mad as well.I have a 2012 Daytona, owned from new, now on 15,000 miles. Absolutely mint. Always serviced at Triumph dealer and on schedule.
Probably fed up ??
With the full (triumph) history, its got to be worth approaching Triumph to at least contribute to the repair?
podman said:
Gutted for you myself mate, id be pretty mad as well.
With the full (triumph) history, its got to be worth approaching Triumph to at least contribute to the repair?
I’m going to try and contact Triumph, just really to understand what has happened. But i’m sure they won’t help because anyone will just think that i let the oil run out. It’s the only reasonable explanation. I know that it’s not true but I don’t think anyone will believe me. With the full (triumph) history, its got to be worth approaching Triumph to at least contribute to the repair?
I'm not too sure if yours is the right (wrong?) model year but Triumph changed the oil dipstick length between model years as the original was too long and that meant too little oil and the subsequent bottom end failure.
poo at Paul's said:
Wait for the bill. If it is just a set of shells, it wont be that much, Not sure but you may be able to have it done with not too much disassembly?
Engine out job I'm fairly sure. Labour about £1500 from a dealer - as quoted to me by Triumph Glasgow. Here's a link from a guy who had the same issue : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjfiyL8Y798Edited by naetype on Tuesday 19th June 19:39
pasmith73 said:
podman said:
Gutted for you myself mate, id be pretty mad as well.
With the full (triumph) history, its got to be worth approaching Triumph to at least contribute to the repair?
I’m going to try and contact Triumph, just really to understand what has happened. But i’m sure they won’t help because anyone will just think that i let the oil run out. It’s the only reasonable explanation. I know that it’s not true but I don’t think anyone will believe me. With the full (triumph) history, its got to be worth approaching Triumph to at least contribute to the repair?
You'll need a bit more of a sturdier stance than that perhaps.
I would be pushing the "just 15,000m miles over 6 years and with a full Triumph history " angle and the fact such a failure was unreasonable given those facts.
If they so wished, they could inspect it and tell if any part of the engine has run dry and why.
Go and send them an email , dont try, dont get..
podman said:
"TRY and contact them"... "Sure they wont help"... "wont believe me"...
You'll need a bit more of a sturdier stance than that perhaps.
I would be pushing the "just 15,000m miles over 6 years and with a full Triumph history " angle and the fact such a failure was unreasonable given those facts.
If they so wished, they could inspect it and tell if any part of the engine has run dry and why.
Go and send them an email , dont try, dont get..
This. Push, push push. You'll need a bit more of a sturdier stance than that perhaps.
I would be pushing the "just 15,000m miles over 6 years and with a full Triumph history " angle and the fact such a failure was unreasonable given those facts.
If they so wished, they could inspect it and tell if any part of the engine has run dry and why.
Go and send them an email , dont try, dont get..
You should get some factory support on the parts and labour. My target (as a punter) would be half the quoted repair.
If that's still too much then get a secondhand engine. Try to establish the history of a used engine - i.e not nicked.
BuzzBravado said:
moto_traxport said:
This. Push, push push.
If that's still too much then get a secondhand engine.
A good option. Must be plenty bent daytonas out there. If that's still too much then get a secondhand engine.
Plus any decent bike shop will turn that job around well inside a day - I've done it myself several times and even I can do it in that timescale.
CAPP0 said:
This, the labour to swap an engine will be the same as removing/replacing your existing engine which would almost certainly be necessary to work on anything in the bottom end, so you just need to compare the cost of a secondhand engine (£500? Complete guess) vs the cost of parts & labour to rebuild yours. Bear in mind also that if you don't know the cause of the failure, a bottom end rebuild will fix it now but it could recur.
Plus any decent bike shop will turn that job around well inside a day - I've done it myself several times and even I can do it in that timescale.
Cost for a used 675 engine is from £1000 depending on year, I expect a 2012 would be about £1.2-1.5k. Plus any decent bike shop will turn that job around well inside a day - I've done it myself several times and even I can do it in that timescale.
The labour to swap the engine out might be even less as you wouldn't be removing cylinder heads or splitting crankcases (which is a proper pain and I wouldn't do it again for sure) and you wouldn't be incurring the cost of new gaskets and seals which can mount up quickly (cylinder head gasket is over £50 for example.
If I had to do it again I'd go for a complete 2nd hand engine, cheaper and much less bother.
The dealer did raise the possibility of a used engine. He guessed it would be around £1.5k to buy and then around £1k for him to fit. The main issue for me is that I wouldn’t know the history of the unit. It could have a major failure just around the corner, i’m now understandably very paranoid about that.
I could sell the bike as it is for spares or repair. Or I could use it as trade-in for a new bike.
I think whatever i do will involve a huge financial loss. And of course the emotional aspect is significant too, i am so disappointed that it’s ended like this.
I could sell the bike as it is for spares or repair. Or I could use it as trade-in for a new bike.
I think whatever i do will involve a huge financial loss. And of course the emotional aspect is significant too, i am so disappointed that it’s ended like this.
Here's one with a 28 day warranty. Given how much you're likely to lose by punting it with a broken engine I'd take a chance.
Linky: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Daytona-675-200...
Oops: don't think 2007's are compatible with 2012's but you get the idea
Linky: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Daytona-675-200...
Oops: don't think 2007's are compatible with 2012's but you get the idea
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