Panigale V4 send back under warranty or not?

[Walter Sobchak]

I’ve been having some pretty minor issues with my bike, one of them is it sometimes idles poorly and cuts out while waiting at lights, it can be very awkward to get into neautral sometimes and I’ve noticed there can be a lot of chain slap I guess is the right description for it while coming off the power, more so on light openings, before you ask no the chain isn’t loose and it is correctly adjusted .
Has anyone else that’s got one experienced similar things happening?.
I don’t know wether they’re just normal Ducati things that I will have to put up with or wether to send it in to be looked at?, yes it would be great if they could get sorted but I don’t want to be stuck without a bike for ages over the best riding months of the year.

[Ed.]

No personal experience

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[trickywoo]

Not sure if it’s covered in the other thread but the cutting out could be a fuel tank breather issue. I think in the states they’ve been taking bikes in for a minor modification which fixes it.

[Walter Sobchak]

I think it is something else, the fuel breather recall was done at the first service.

[TommyBuoy]

I've ridden a few of the modern ducati models (and own one) and guaranteed neutral is always a bd if you come to a complete stop. I always slot it in rolling to a stop.

Chain slap - a little is pretty standard, usually when accelerating from low rpm. As long as it's not too tight and not too loose it'll just be annoying.

Cutting out - just to check, is it if you give the throttle a little when stationary - my previous M1200 used to cut out or go a bit off when it was new and low miles. Got better with age.

[Walter Sobchak]

The chain slap and neatural issue feel far more noticeable than on any previous bike I’ve had,modern ones included-RSV4,S1000RR, you can really feel and hear the chain slap and when engaging 1st when first starting off the bike practically jerks forward.
I guess I wanted to see what others would do, putnup with it or take it back to get looked at.

[TNJ]

The difficulty finding neutral is definitely a Ducati trait.

My Monster was a nightmare to find neutral for the first few hundred miles, especially when still cold.

4K miles in and it goes into neutral without me even thinking about it

[Ho Lee Kau]

Teething troubles aside, V4 Panigale is not a road bike, as 1299 was not a road bike.
You either accept this or switch to something that can be used on the road, S1000RR for example.
I have GSXR1000R myself, I say that bike needs an ECU flash to be a good road bike.

[thatdude]

A road engine shouldnt cut out when sitting at idle. You should have this investigated. There could be an air leak, either at the intake side or on the exhaust sidem or poorly set u valve clearances, or simply a too-low idle set (is there a way to raise it yourself?). Have the dealer look at it - the warranty is there for a reason.

[Walter Sobchak]

Ho Lee Kau said:

Teething troubles aside, V4 Panigale is not a road bike, as 1299 was not a road bike.
You either accept this or switch to something that can be used on the road, S1000RR for example.
I have GSXR1000R myself, I say that bike needs an ECU flash to be a good road bike.

Aside from the minor issues I’ve mentioned it’s a joy to ride on the road, ok it gets very hot while filtering in slow traffic but other than that there’s nothing really that makes me think oh I should have bought an S1000RR-after owning one, as great a bike as I freely admit it was, I’ve no great desire to own another one, the only other bikes I considered before buying the Panigale were a new RSV4 and the R1M.

[rodericb]

Those three symptoms are Ducati things. Random stalling seems to blight some superbikes and it seemed to get worse with the 1098. Or maybe it's the internet blowing things out of proportion. Maybe the maps in the ECU are a bit cack or something. Difficulty getting into neutral is one of those things which goes away in the first couple of thousands of miles. Chain slap might be an adjustment thing. Twins can be bad at low revs for chain snatch as the firing intervals get the better of the weight of the crank and pulse through the drive chain. The Panigale V4 is like two twins slapped together so it wouldn't surprise me that the big, light twin characteristics are present.

[Steve Bass]

Walter Sobchak said:

The chain slap and neatural issue feel far more noticeable than on any previous bike I’ve had,modern ones included-RSV4,S1000RR, you can really feel and hear the chain slap and when engaging 1st when first starting off the bike practically jerks forward.
I guess I wanted to see what others would do, putnup with it or take it back to get looked at.

If the bike is jerking forward when you select 1st it's more likely the clutch and not the chain that's the culprit. It might be the plates dragging, the oil viscosity but unlikely the basket. If it's a hydraulic clutch actuation there might be a little air in the system and you're not getting the full throw to separate the plates.
Not being able to select Neutral is another indication of a dragging clutch if it isn't caused by the gearbox design. My early RSV4's all suffered with this and the trick was to select N as you came to a stop but not when stopped. Again, the gearbox will need to bed in and oil may be a factor here.

Regarding idle, it's not easy to build a high performance motor that revs to 14k that will sit and idle like a sewing machine Tiny variances in the throttle openings between the cylinders will affect the idle as will engine temp and the low rotating mass of the engine. As much as they rev up quickly, they also are subject to irregular idle as the mass isn't there to just keep it going over smoothly. If possible, either by the dealers intervention or judicious use of a screwdriver, I would try raise the idle a couple of hundred rpm to put some rotating mass into the motor to smooth it out.

Ducati V1.0's are notorious for their teething issues but I don't think this is too much to worry about.

[Mach]

I only have an 899 but had very similar issues with regard to the clutch.

As posted above it was just some air in the clutch system which meant it was not fully disengaging. I had it adjusted and hey presto, it slips in to neutral as sweet as a nut and much reduced clunk when engaging first gear. I also no longer worry about stalling it which I did a couple of times and always in the most embarrassing circumstance possible!

I now have the system bled each year when it's serviced.

HTH

[Ho Lee Kau]

Walter Sobchak said:

Ho Lee Kau said:

Teething troubles aside, V4 Panigale is not a road bike, as 1299 was not a road bike.
You either accept this or switch to something that can be used on the road, S1000RR for example.
I have GSXR1000R myself, I say that bike needs an ECU flash to be a good road bike.

Aside from the minor issues I’ve mentioned it’s a joy to ride on the road, ok it gets very hot while filtering in slow traffic but other than that there’s nothing really that makes me think oh I should have bought an S1000RR-after owning one, as great a bike as I freely admit it was, I’ve no great desire to own another one, the only other bikes I considered before buying the Panigale were a new RSV4 and the R1M.

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