Old Diesel engine revving flatout
Old Diesel engine revving flatout
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Tom.goode90

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10 posts

100 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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So i started up an old tractor that hasnt been started in well over 15 years. All i did was put a battery on it and swing it over. After some swinging it fired up and reved flat out. The throttle must of been stuck open and i pulled the stop and that didnt seem to work.
I got out the tractor and tryed pulling the stop on the pump and that didnt work. So i got some spanners and started undoing all the fuel pipes and that didnt work and just put diesel all over the hot sparking engine. Eventually got the fuel feed to the fuel pump off and that stoped the bugger.
Bit sacry to say the least in this heat wave as well in a barn of hay. Since thought prehaps should of put my hand over the air intake but it could of had a hole somewhere els in the intake.

Any idea why it decided it was going to thrash it self as soon as it started and contine to?

P.s note to self, always put water in the radiator first.

seiben

2,535 posts

165 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Sounds like engine runaway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine_runawa...

Scary as hell I should imagine! yikes

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

157 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Tom.goode90 said:
Any idea why it decided it was going to thrash it self as soon as it started and contine to?
I would say that it was burning engine oil, but if that was the case, then taking the fuel supply off wouldn't have stopped it.

Pump internals?

hidetheelephants

36,407 posts

224 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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You killed it by shutting off the fuel supply, so probably just a seized/stuck governor mechanism in the injector pump.

Tom.goode90

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100 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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hidetheelephants said:
You killed it by shutting off the fuel supply, so probably just a seized/stuck governor mechanism in the injector pump.
Probably, i was woundering if it was the old oily fuel causeing it to revving its tits of. I guess its becuase the pump hasnt moved for years and the valves have stuck in the pump. After reading a few fourms i think im very lucky it didnt explode whislts i was stood next to it choaking on the smoke, trying to stop it.
All vrey frightening 😬

Tom.goode90

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10 posts

100 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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The fuel pump is powered by the fan belt so as the engine revs faster it turns the pump faster and if the valve is broke in some way i guess it just kept reving faster and faster till somthing was limiting the fuel supply. So i had a few ways of stopping it and i tryed the hardest. ?? haha ffs lol, shuting off the air intake, stalling it with a high gear but it was a hyra-shift that doesnt really work so probably wouldnt have stalled it, cutting of the fuel like i did via either breaking a fuel line but somthing els that would of worked was throwing a spanner in the works ?? by breaking the fan belt so it doesnt drive the fuel pump.

I dont think it would of lasted much longer had i just run away and preyed that it didnt cause to much damage. Just thank full that the injectors wernt pulling fuel through the excess fuel return pipes. I count my self luncky yet again

finlo

4,453 posts

234 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Tom.goode90 said:
The fuel pump is powered by the fan belt so as the engine revs faster it turns the pump faster and if the valve is broke in some way i guess it just kept reving faster and faster till somthing was limiting the fuel supply. So i had a few ways of stopping it and i tryed the hardest. ?? haha ffs lol, shuting off the air intake, stalling it with a high gear but it was a hyra-shift that doesnt really work so probably wouldnt have stalled it, cutting of the fuel like i did via either breaking a fuel line but somthing els that would of worked was throwing a spanner in the works ?? by breaking the fan belt so it doesnt drive the fuel pump.

I dont think it would of lasted much longer had i just run away and preyed that it didnt cause to much damage. Just thank full that the injectors wernt pulling fuel through the excess fuel return pipes. I count my self luncky yet again
Are you sure about the fuel pump running off the fan belt?

Tom.goode90

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10 posts

100 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Yeah its a david brown 1212 i think so its the injector pump.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Tom.goode90 said:
Yeah its a david brown 1212 i think so its the injector pump.
It's driven off the timing gear.

Some have automatic excess fuel so it looks to me like the pump is sticky or rusty inside, it's gone to excess fuel or at least full throttle and got stuck. Local man with van will sort that out.

Tom.goode90

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10 posts

100 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Willy Nilly said:
It's driven off the timing gear.

Some have automatic excess fuel so it looks to me like the pump is sticky or rusty inside, it's gone to excess fuel or at least full throttle and got stuck. Local man with van will sort that out.
So any man can sort it out? Ive had a van before. Thought you needed to be a engineer or somthing to mess with them

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Tom.goode90 said:
Willy Nilly said:
It's driven off the timing gear.

Some have automatic excess fuel so it looks to me like the pump is sticky or rusty inside, it's gone to excess fuel or at least full throttle and got stuck. Local man with van will sort that out.
So any man can sort it out? Ive had a van before. Thought you needed to be a engineer or somthing to mess with them
Man with a van is rural parlance for a gentleman (usually) with a van full of tools who fixes tractors and isn't a franchised farm machinery dealer. Your issue will be that you will very much be at the back of the queue in July.

Edited by Willy Nilly on Thursday 5th July 21:27

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

286 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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hidetheelephants said:
You killed it by shutting off the fuel supply, so probably just a seized/stuck governor mechanism in the injector pump.
This will be it, stuck rack in the pump is very common on old tractors that have sat for years.

Tom.goode90

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10 posts

100 months

Friday 6th July 2018
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Mr2Mike said:
This will be it, stuck rack in the pump is very common on old tractors that have sat for years.
Yes that was my thpughts just expected the stop to work as well 😂 im selling it to somone that breaks them amd builds them so im not gona bother fixing it