An end to the private parking cowboys?
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
Andy20vt said:
Or that the DVLA will be obliged to not give out your private data to commercial organisations for the purposes of revenue generation should you instruct them not to?
You mean collect charges for breaching the terms and conditions of parking on private property?Helicopter123 said:
Best way to avoid being 'fined' in my experience is to only park on private property in accordance with the stated terms and conditions. If I am uncertain, or unhappy with the terms, I will park elsewhere, But then I accept that I have no divine 'right' to park on someone else's property.
This.How would you like anyone parking on your land without permission?
As long as signage is clear and in full view, don't moan if you get taken to task.
Helicopter123 said:
Best way to avoid being 'fined' in my experience is to only park on private property in accordance with the stated terms and conditions. If I am uncertain, or unhappy with the terms, I will park elsewhere, But then I accept that I have no divine 'right' to park on someone else's property.
^ This, with bells on.Let's say you own some land.
Some raging cockmuffin thinks they have every right under the sun to park there however, whenever, for as long as they like.
What can you do? You can't clamp. You can't tow. All you can do is get a stroppy and bill sent to them.
Or spend good money on causing inconvenience and restricting access for everybody else who isn't a ragingly entitled cockmuffin.
Meanwhile, cockmuffins think it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO unfair. Boo. Hoo.
TooMany2cvs said:
^ This, with bells on.
Let's say you own some land.
Some raging cockmuffin thinks they have every right under the sun to park there however, whenever, for as long as they like.
What can you do? You can't clamp. You can't tow. All you can do is get a stroppy and bill sent to them.
Or spend good money on causing inconvenience and restricting access for everybody else who isn't a ragingly entitled cockmuffin.
Meanwhile, cockmuffins think it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO unfair. Boo. Hoo.
The main trouble is that cockmuffins are two a penny.Let's say you own some land.
Some raging cockmuffin thinks they have every right under the sun to park there however, whenever, for as long as they like.
What can you do? You can't clamp. You can't tow. All you can do is get a stroppy and bill sent to them.
Or spend good money on causing inconvenience and restricting access for everybody else who isn't a ragingly entitled cockmuffin.
Meanwhile, cockmuffins think it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO unfair. Boo. Hoo.
As I have found, a charge may discourage a driver from parking there again, but there is always another willing to take their place.
Andy20vt said:
Does anyone know if the new privacy and data laws (GDPR) will mean an end to private parking company cowboys being able to harvest your data from the DVLA?
There may be some occassions when GDPR/DPA 2018 may come into play. For example putting a ticket on someone in their own parking spacePurpleMoonlight said:
TooMany2cvs said:
^ This, with bells on.
Let's say you own some land.
Some raging cockmuffin thinks they have every right under the sun to park there however, whenever, for as long as they like.
What can you do? You can't clamp. You can't tow. All you can do is get a stroppy and bill sent to them.
Or spend good money on causing inconvenience and restricting access for everybody else who isn't a ragingly entitled cockmuffin.
Meanwhile, cockmuffins think it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO unfair. Boo. Hoo.
The main trouble is that cockmuffins are two a penny.Let's say you own some land.
Some raging cockmuffin thinks they have every right under the sun to park there however, whenever, for as long as they like.
What can you do? You can't clamp. You can't tow. All you can do is get a stroppy and bill sent to them.
Or spend good money on causing inconvenience and restricting access for everybody else who isn't a ragingly entitled cockmuffin.
Meanwhile, cockmuffins think it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO unfair. Boo. Hoo.
As I have found, a charge may discourage a driver from parking there again, but there is always another willing to take their place.
TooMany2cvs said:
^ This, with bells on.
Let's say you own some land.
Some raging cockmuffin thinks they have every right under the sun to park there however, whenever, for as long as they like.
What can you do? You can't clamp. You can't tow. All you can do is get a stroppy and bill sent to them.
.
But falling with a tin of expanding foam right next to their exhaust pipe.......Let's say you own some land.
Some raging cockmuffin thinks they have every right under the sun to park there however, whenever, for as long as they like.
What can you do? You can't clamp. You can't tow. All you can do is get a stroppy and bill sent to them.
.
or accidentally spilling some petrol as your cigarette falls out of your hand...........
or accidentally lopping a tree branch.............
Accidents happen!
TooMany2cvs said:
Helicopter123 said:
Best way to avoid being 'fined' in my experience is to only park on private property in accordance with the stated terms and conditions. If I am uncertain, or unhappy with the terms, I will park elsewhere, But then I accept that I have no divine 'right' to park on someone else's property.
^ This, with bells on.Let's say you own some land.
Some raging cockmuffin thinks they have every right under the sun to park there however, whenever, for as long as they like.
What can you do? You can't clamp. You can't tow. All you can do is get a stroppy and bill sent to them.
Or spend good money on causing inconvenience and restricting access for everybody else who isn't a ragingly entitled cockmuffin.
Meanwhile, cockmuffins think it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO unfair. Boo. Hoo.
I have a personal involvement in this as I contacted my MP to support the 2018 Parking Bill. I outlined to her that I was receiving weekly invoices from these sharks because their ANPR fails. My daughters gym is behind Lidl and they lease it from Lidl. There is a camera which captures you entering and leaving and if you use the gym you park at the rear which is supposedly recognised by another ANPR camera. I was getting fines for dropping off, leaving 1 minute later and returning in the afternoon for another 1 minute pickup. Of course the ANPR and you guys count that as an 8 hour stay.
My contact with my MP was purely to support the Parking Bill. Guess what she did? She took it up with Lidl and all the fake invoices were cancelled and I don't seem to receive any more. Lidl don't care. Their standard response is to refer you back to the parking company.
vikingaero said:
Wrong wrong wrong. How many people get these speculative invoices because the ANPR fails to recognise the exit time? How many people pay up when they didn't breach?
A tiny fraction of those who claim that's the reason, when they really know damn well they're a cockmuffin.TooMany2cvs said:
vikingaero said:
Wrong wrong wrong. How many people get these speculative invoices because the ANPR fails to recognise the exit time? How many people pay up when they didn't breach?
A tiny fraction of those who claim that's the reason, when they really know damn well they're a cockmuffin.The force is strong amongst the 'never my fault' brigade.
I don't think GDPR will make a difference to the pushing companies, but I'd be interested to see how the debt recovery companies handle a complaint when the ticket had been issued from one of the many companies who fail to comply with POFA when the registered keeper is a private individual.
If the PPC know that keeper liability can't be enforced on that person, should they be passing their details on to a third party?
It doesn't apply in the tickets I process as we're a Ltd. company, but there have been enough cases upheld elsewhere under the former DPA rules for similar breaches.
If the PPC know that keeper liability can't be enforced on that person, should they be passing their details on to a third party?
It doesn't apply in the tickets I process as we're a Ltd. company, but there have been enough cases upheld elsewhere under the former DPA rules for similar breaches.
Helicopter123 said:
Best way to avoid being 'fined' in my experience is to only park on private property in accordance with the stated terms and conditions. If I am uncertain, or unhappy with the terms, I will park elsewhere, But then I accept that I have no divine 'right' to park on someone else's property. Other's on PH take a different view.
Yeah, that doesn't always work.Wacky Racer said:
Helicopter123 said:
Best way to avoid being 'fined' in my experience is to only park on private property in accordance with the stated terms and conditions. If I am uncertain, or unhappy with the terms, I will park elsewhere, But then I accept that I have no divine 'right' to park on someone else's property.
This.How would you like anyone parking on your land without permission?
As long as signage is clear and in full view, don't moan if you get taken to task.
Davey v UKPC at Winchester court a few years back is a great example.
S11Steve said:
Wacky Racer said:
Helicopter123 said:
Best way to avoid being 'fined' in my experience is to only park on private property in accordance with the stated terms and conditions. If I am uncertain, or unhappy with the terms, I will park elsewhere, But then I accept that I have no divine 'right' to park on someone else's property.
This.How would you like anyone parking on your land without permission?
As long as signage is clear and in full view, don't moan if you get taken to task.
Davey v UKPC at Winchester court a few years back is a great example.
We had the woman who would not reverse alongside a wall, but park instead 12 inches away and overhang the side of her space. As a result 3 other people atruggles to park.
Would not listen until she was clamped. Let off the first time the problem went away.
Another tenant complained that their space was always abused. Set up a permit scheme. One of their lawyers got clamped. Because he did not bother to put his permit in the window. How were the clampers supposed to know? Although solicitor struggled with the truth also... permit was in the window... yet I was given a photo of it not in the window etc.
Really hard to control big car parks nowadays, especially when the people they are trying to help do not follow the rules.
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