Dash cams, soon be compulsory?
Dash cams, soon be compulsory?
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zetec

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5,216 posts

281 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Just seen the Aviva advert for their dash cam feature on their app. Made me wonder, how long do we think it will be before dash cams become the law or compulsory for insurance policies?

NickGRhodes

1,291 posts

102 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Having one fitted does is one thing, but how would it be possible to enforce working and recording correctly ?

jimPH

3,981 posts

110 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Insurance validity?

Shuvi McTupya

24,460 posts

277 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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NickGRhodes said:
Having one fitted does is one thing, but how would it be possible to enforce working and recording correctly ?
I guess they would just reject any claim if you didn't have dashcam footage of the event.

NickGRhodes

1,291 posts

102 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Shuvi McTupya said:
I guess they would just reject any claim if you didn't have dashcam footage of the event.
Would need memory cards and dashcams with reliability and liability guarantees then.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

291 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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There are plenty of cases where drivers or riders have been exonerated by their own dash cam footage. I suspect CPS regard dash cams as a blasted nuisance.

Shuvi McTupya

24,460 posts

277 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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NickGRhodes said:
Would need memory cards and dashcams with reliability and liability guarantees then.
That would be 'our' problem. They would probably love it if we signed something saying we would ensure our dashcams were working at all times and then it turned out it wasn't working after all.

'Computer says no'

Next!





mouseymousey

2,642 posts

267 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Can't see it ever being compulsory, insurance companies have had black box policies for ages which seems similar.

zetec

Original Poster:

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281 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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mouseymousey said:
Can't see it ever being compulsory, insurance companies have had black box policies for ages which seems similar.
Yes, but for youngsters especially, black box policies are cheaper. With regards dashcams, it could be that insurance companies will charge much higher premiums to those that don’t use dash cams?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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zetec said:
mouseymousey said:
Can't see it ever being compulsory, insurance companies have had black box policies for ages which seems similar.
Yes, but for youngsters especially, black box policies are cheaper. With regards dashcams, it could be that insurance companies will charge much higher premiums to those that don’t use dash cams?
For high-risk drivers, perhaps. Same as for black boxes.

For low-risk drivers, it simply is not worth the admin time and cost.

Shiv_P

3,040 posts

135 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Would be useful if new cars with cameras/360 cameras would just have this sort of functionality enabled and recorded to an SD card

dxg

10,748 posts

290 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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My insurance contains a discount for a dashcam. And for brake assist, and parking sensors...


Twig62

763 posts

126 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Shiv_P said:
Would be useful if new cars with cameras/360 cameras would just have this sort of functionality enabled and recorded to an SD card
IIRC some Citroen models are fitted with a built in camera.

iDrive

443 posts

143 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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mouseymousey said:
Can't see it ever being compulsory, insurance companies have had black box policies for ages which seems similar.
Already required for some Policies in the US - Particularly where they cover a high risk individual eg convicted of Drink Drive

I'm all for anything that reduces the chances of high risk drivers re-offending, and would be happy to install one if it saved me on my premium too.

Olivera

8,778 posts

269 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Hopefully never, and instead made not admissible as evidence like in Germany or Austria.

ElectricPics

761 posts

111 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Olivera said:
Hopefully never, and instead made not admissible as evidence like in Germany or Austria.
In Austria it's illegal to possess a dash cam, never mind use it. In Germany, they can be used for insurance purposes in limited circumstances but faces and plates shouldn't be recorded, and they're illegal to use in Luxembourg.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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ElectricPics said:
Olivera said:
Hopefully never, and instead made not admissible as evidence like in Germany or Austria.
In Austria it's illegal to possess a dash cam, never mind use it. In Germany, they can be used for insurance purposes in limited circumstances but faces and plates shouldn't be recorded, and they're illegal to use in Luxembourg.
Now look at Google Streetview in those countries. (I think you mean Liechtenstein, rather than Luxembourg)

Oh, wait.

ElectricPics

761 posts

111 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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TooMany2cvs said:
Now look at Google Streetview in those countries. (I think you mean Liechtenstein, rather than Luxembourg)

Oh, wait.
No, I meant Luxembourg. Street View is just a series of still photographs stitched together and has faces and plates blurred (most of the time - but blurring can be requested) which isn't at all the same thing as CCTV surveillance so it meets privacy requirements in Germany and the like.

Retroman

975 posts

163 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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Shuvi McTupya said:
I guess they would just reject any claim if you didn't have dashcam footage of the event.
That may be problematic.
I've had several dash cams in my time driving. But the one time i was in a bad accident the impact caused the dashcam to reboot before it had time to save that particular segment.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Saturday 7th July 2018
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ElectricPics said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Now look at Google Streetview in those countries. (I think you mean Liechtenstein, rather than Luxembourg)

Oh, wait.
No, I meant Luxembourg. Street View is just a series of still photographs stitched together and has faces and plates blurred (most of the time - but blurring can be requested) which isn't at all the same thing as CCTV surveillance so it meets privacy requirements in Germany and the like.
There is no Streetview in D/A/FL.