Cerb Tyres - Again

[cerealsurfer]

Having had the last vestages of rubber part company from my now worn out Bridgestone S0-2's I need to select a suitable replacement.

I'm not totally convinced witht he Toyo T1's as I seen a few stories about how skittish they can be.

I want to keep to the original fitment dimentions 225/35ZR18 F and 255/35ZR18 R and prefer not to mix tyres Front to Back, so one tyre all round.

I have an exhaustive list of the tyres that fit below...

Tyre Manufacturer Model
Michelin Pilot Sport 2
Toyo T1-S
Toyo T1-R
Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD
Dunlop SP9000
Yokohama AVS Sport
Continental Sport Contact 2
Avon ZZ3
Pirelli P-Zero Nero

I am particularly interested in the Continental Sport Contact 2, the Yokohama AVS Sport and the TVR OEM Toyo T1-S tyres.

I have a Nitron suspension set-up and am interested in anyone's experiences with various tyre set-up's.

I'm looking for a more dry orientated tyre with progressive break point.

Any advice welcome...

[RUSSELLM]

I've got new T1S's all round and I'm finding them good through corners, they've helped massively with rear wheel grip on acceleration, but the compromise is mine do tend to tram line.

But I'd have them again.

[satman]

RUSSELLM said:

I've got new T1S's all round and I'm finding them good through corners, they've helped massively with rear wheel grip on acceleration, but the compromise is mine do tend to tram line. But I'd have them again.

The same as SO3's I would guess...think the stiffer side wall to these tyres is the problem!

Im too looking for tyres soon, and something other than SO3's is going to be my option...I have Bridgestones (18") on my RX8, and find they tramline like hell...

...told that the Goodyear Eagle F1's are supposed to be good, but seem quite pricey in comparision to Toyos, and not heard whether they have this 'tramline' characteristic or not....will watch this thread with interest!

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cerealsurfer said:

I am particularly interested in the Continental Sport Contact 2, the Yokohama AVS Sport and the TVR OEM Toyo T1-S tyres.

The T1-R replaced the T1-S and TVR replaced the Toyos with F1 GSD3s (make sure that you get the 3 and not the 2)

cerealsurfer said:

I'm looking for a more dry orientated tyre with progressive break point.

With that in mind I'd give the Pirelli PZNs a second thought. Or would you consider a PZA with a 235/35 at the front? www.pirelli.co.uk/en_GB/tyres/catalog/tyre_product.jhtml?selected=size&catid=UK_UHP&productid=2064

satman said:

RUSSELLM said: I've got new T1S's all round, good but the compromise is mine do tend to tram line. The same as SO3's I would guess...think the stiffer side wall to these tyres is the problem!

The tramline comment is interesting. SO3s have a very stiff side wall but the T1-S has a soft side wall.

[mad mark]

I know this place has been mentioned on here before by someone else, but it's worth a reminder
www.mytyres.co.uk/start.html
seems like quite a good site.It's got some reviews on the tyres aswell, although take the comparisons with a pinch of salt, Goodyears tested 146times, Yoko's only 13times.
No mention of tramlining in the reviews, which is a shame.

I too am looking into getting some rears, I like the look of the Goodyears, nice tred patern, but the review is only average.
Goodyear EAGLE F1 GS-D3 = £136.90
Toyo PROXES T1-R = £134.20
Bridgestone Potenza RE 050 A £157.00
Prices include vat and postage.
I've got Toyo's up front and worn out Bridgestone on the rear, so may even go for the Toyo's to match the front

[cirvy]

Just got Dunlop Super Sport Race all round on mine, absolutely superb, way grippier than the SO3's i had before!

Also, they cost a mere £100 each

[ceejay]

Nitrons and GSD-3's on mine, I'm much happier with these than the Toyo T1-R fitted previously. Prices are pretty good too.

Ceejay

[redleicester]

Just a thought, but TVR switched to Goodyear from Toyo as the latter refused to supply them anymore thanks to unpaid bills..... sounds familiar!

T1-R's have stiffer sidewalls than the T1-S's to combat complaints that the S's were squidy. Haven't tried them on my Cerb yet, but the Toyos were a massive improvement over Bridgestones on my Chimaera.

[cerealsurfer]

So far from the current posts:

I am not so interested in the 235/35 ZR18 Perelli PZA tyres.

I suspected that TVR's swap from Toyo T1-R to Goodyear was due to cost issues.

The tramlining is my main concearn, the harder sidewalls are not very compatible with the camber set-up on the Cerbera rear end.

Does anyone know if the Continentals have a hard sidewall technology?

More info welcome...

[jesfirth]

If you are serious about grip and want tyres that are progressive and predictable on the limit try Toyo R888's and use 225's all round. They are b list road legal semi slicks. The level of grip is incredible both in the dry and wet, much much much better than any standard road tyre. Honestly there is just no comparison.

They cost £127 each and are soft so they wont last very long but who cares. The only downside is that I wouldnt want to be pressing on through a thunderstorm with alot of standing water as I suspect they would aquaplane earlier, but I have not had any problems in this respect. I guess you would need a frontal lobotamy to do that anyway in a cerbie. Other than that there is not another tyre that even gets close.

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cerealsurfer said:

I suspected that TVR's swap from Toyo T1-R to Goodyear was due to cost issues.

Hmmm. Goodyears tend to be more expensive than Toyos. Goodyears have consistantly outperformed Toyos in tyre tests. Just before the switch it was said that the Japanese dealer removed the OEM Toyos and fitted the GSD3s.

[BCA]

jesfirth said:

They are b list road legal semi slicks.

Theres our problem

No mention of Falken FKsomethingsomethings yet? - for the price alone it seems worth a try?? No experience of them - still waiting for the Toyo's to give up.

[cerealsurfer]

I've deliberately left the Falken FK???? out of the selection. I know they are cheap but I suspect that they are for a reason.

What are the issues about fitting the Toyo R888 225's on a 255 rim... they must be a bit of a stretch bieng about 30mm narrower?

[BCA]

cerealsurfer said:

I've deliberately left the Falken FK???? out of the selection. I know they are cheap but I suspect that they are for a reason.

Yeah, probably because they dont have a big name on the side???

[cerealsurfer]

Quite possibly....

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cerealsurfer said:

What are the issues about fitting the Toyo R888 225's on a 255 rim... they must be a bit of a stretch bieng about 30mm narrower?

According to Toyo it's a non starter: www.toyo.co.uk/index.php?fuseaction=car.R888

You could however run 888s on 17" rims.

[washy]

If you absolutely, positively have to have the best dry weather tyre on Nitrons (that still works OK in damp conditions) it has to be Dunlop Super Sport Race. Accept no substitute.

At £470 a set they are a steal. You'll have to settle for 225/40/18 front and 245/35/18 rear but it works brilliantly. No trouble with road manners at all either. And the grip on roundabouts etc... AWESOME!!!

Try 'em you'll be on here going nuts about them I bet.

Failing that I hear the Goodyears really are a good tyre. Can't comment on the others but given that the best tyre IMHO is also the cheapest (for now at least) it's gotta be the Dunlop.

(in case you hadn't all guessed I am very impressed with the Dunlop SSR's)

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quentin said:

If you absolutely, positively have to have the best dry weather tyre on Nitrons (that still works OK in damp conditions) it has to be Dunlop Super Sport Race. Accept no substitute.

That'll be these then:
"Track day drivers can now experience the levels of grip that BTCC stars such as Yvan Muller, Matt Neal and James Thompson are accustomed to as Dunlop expand their range of motorsport bred road legal tyres, designed for the burgeoning track day market.



The Dunlop SP Super Sport Race has a striking similarity to the renowned Dunlop wet race tyre, trusted by the world’s leading touring car and Le Mans racers. Tony Gilhome, Product Manager for race car tyres explains: “The similarity is more than coincidental – the directional tread pattern is a direct descendant of the race tyre design, and the compound was developed with track use in mind.”



The Dunlop SP Super Sport Race has been proven to offer a vast improvement in dry weather performance over a conventional road tyre, but more importantly, has won plaudits for it’s damp track performance compared to other track orientated tyres.



Former British GT Champion Calum Lockie relies on Dunlop SP Super Sport race tyres when running his Porsche 968 Club Sport at track days. “When fitted with Dunlop SP Super Sport Race tyres the car felt more positive, confidence inspiring and had improved grip under braking.” claimed Calum, who currently also races a 630BHP Marcos on Dunlop tyres.



The Dunlop SP Super Sport Race is available in a wide range of 17”, 18” and 19” sizes.



To provide track day drivers who require a road legal race tyre in a smaller size, Dunlop also market their well proven D01 and D98 ranges across a wide range of sizes to suit most hot hatch or sports saloon needs. These race bred tyres are used in a vast array of UK motorsport championships, including the VW Cup, Alfa Romeo Championship and MG championships, but are also ideal for the demands of track day use.



These tyres are only available through approved Dunlop Motorsport fitting agents, or direct from the Dunlop Motorsport factory at Fort Dunlop, Birmingham TEL: [phone] or 7059.



For more information contact: [e-mail]

www.dunloptyres.co.uk

www.driveradviser.co.uk"

www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m12b250s0p0

[DuncanM]

BCA said:

jesfirth said: They are b list road legal semi slicks. Theres our problem No mention of Falken FKsomethingsomethings yet? - for the price alone it seems worth a try?? No experience of them - still waiting for the Toyo's to give up.

Please read my previous threads re the Falkens .

They are excellent!

I have done 10k on mine now and they are a great tyre on my Cerbera.

Had S-03's and I kid you not I sent them back to Bridgestone because of how awful I considered them to be .

Then I decidied to try the Falkens as I have been happy wioth them in the past.

Unbelievable tyre and I'd pay twice the asking price for them (seriously).

Trust me and try them .

Edited to add links to previous threads .

www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=134574&f=6&h=0&hw=tyres

www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=143206&f=6&h=0&hw=falken

Duncan

>> Edited by DuncanM on Wednesday 4th May 08:53

[pilmar]

I run Falkens and I agree with Duncan, they have excellent grip in the wet and no tramlining in the dry. It was a gamble buying them but I will definately be buying them again. Done 3000 miles and they still look new (not driving hard enough then!)