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Ok i got a scammer banged to rights but just need some info to nail the lid shut and render all his mornings work void..hopefully and make a story for a paper!! 
Heres what i need to know as i cant find it on the highway code sites.
Dual track separated by double whites from a single lane from other direction, Ie the inner lane of the dual track is a crawler lane, so its two lanes up and one down...got that? Good!
Is it illegal to perform a U turn on the dual tracked side onto a hardstanding so as to face against the traffic flow??
Law broken and penalties would be most useful.
Penalties and law broken for crossing double whites please...cant seem to find what i should already know on this one either! Ingorant fool i am!
Urgently required!
Heres what i need to know as i cant find it on the highway code sites.
Dual track separated by double whites from a single lane from other direction, Ie the inner lane of the dual track is a crawler lane, so its two lanes up and one down...got that? Good!
Is it illegal to perform a U turn on the dual tracked side onto a hardstanding so as to face against the traffic flow??
Law broken and penalties would be most useful.
Penalties and law broken for crossing double whites please...cant seem to find what i should already know on this one either! Ingorant fool i am!
Urgently required!
www.highwaycode.gov.uk/10.htm#108
MUST NOT cross a solid double or double/dotted where your side is solid.
Go for it!
MUST NOT cross a solid double or double/dotted where your side is solid.
Go for it!
Highway Code said:
108: Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10mph or less.
Laws RTA sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
Any use?
code: TS20
"Failing to comply with double white lines"
penalty points : 3
from here:
www.lawontheweb.co.uk/crimertocodesandpoints.htm
>> Edited by hedders on Tuesday 3rd May 13:57
"Failing to comply with double white lines"
penalty points : 3
from here:
www.lawontheweb.co.uk/crimertocodesandpoints.htm
>> Edited by hedders on Tuesday 3rd May 13:57
deltafox said:
Dual track separated by double whites from a single lane from other direction, Ie the inner lane of the dual track is a crawler lane, so its two lanes up and one down...got that? Good!
So its a single carriageway, 2 plus 1 separated by double continuous white lines. No constructed central reservation. Yes?
deltafox said:
Is it illegal to perform a U turn on the dual tracked side onto a hardstanding so as to face against the traffic flow??
So its a single carriageway subject to two way traffic, no offence imo.
deltafox said:
Law broken and penalties would be most useful.
None, again imo.
deltafox said:
Penalties and law broken for crossing double whites please...cant seem to find what i should already know on this one either! Ignorant fool i am!
Arguable that has crossed continuous white lines to enter premises, ie the hardstanding? This is allowed imo.
Sorry DeltaF not the answer you wanted I know.
Unless you saw the actual manoeuvre itself and it could be considered as falling below the standard one would expect of a careful and prudent driver etc etc.
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Tuesday 3rd May 14:02
Thanks so far, what about the U turn on the dual track tho? Basically they only could have gotten to their scam location by crossing the double whites, or by u turning on a dual track, the outside lane of which is covered by the aforementioned double whites!
Got the coffin lid and the nails, just need the hammer! Help!
Got the coffin lid and the nails, just need the hammer! Help!
Ok FIF.
Its a dual carriageway on the uphill side with double whites in the centre and no central reservation in the middle and has one way traffic only in these two lanes. Its separated by double whites from the lane opposite going downhill.
The hardstanding isnt an entry or road and is i believe to be used by traffic/scammers operating UPHILL not downhill. Hence my questions.
Howd he get there? Crossing double whites is a nonon.
The U turn would be exceedingly bad form as its a busy road.
>> Edited by deltafox on Tuesday 3rd May 14:08
Its a dual carriageway on the uphill side with double whites in the centre and no central reservation in the middle and has one way traffic only in these two lanes. Its separated by double whites from the lane opposite going downhill.
The hardstanding isnt an entry or road and is i believe to be used by traffic/scammers operating UPHILL not downhill. Hence my questions.
Howd he get there? Crossing double whites is a nonon.
The U turn would be exceedingly bad form as its a busy road.
>> Edited by deltafox on Tuesday 3rd May 14:08
deltafox said:
Its a dual carriageway on the uphill side with double whites in the centre and no central reservation in the middle and has one way traffic only in these two lanes. Its separated by double whites from the lane opposite going downhill.
Unfortunately, I think the point FiF is making is that if there's no centrtal reservation, its a single carriageway. The number of lanes is immaterial.
My thought is that if they need to cross the double whites in order to access the hardstanding, they'd be committing an offence unless they could successfully argue the "accessing a premises" point.
hedders said:
Out of interest...I take it you have pics?
Almost as good...a confession!
Pmsl!
Was driving on Sunday and saw these tossbags doing their evil best, parked on a left hand (slight) long bend getting cars coming up the DT and going down the single lane. Kid couldnt get the Video camera working fast enough and as we were already late we couldnt stop and stick it in their miserable countenances.
Stil, came back the same way and theyd gone...gutted i was.
Still, not to worry, they very kindly confirmed it all in an email just 5 mins ago, so *if* i can get something regarding a broken law or 10 then maybe i can help to discredit their days work.
Worth a shot.
pdV6 said:
Its a dual carriageway on the uphill side with double whites in the centre and no central reservation in the middle and has one way traffic only in these two lanes. Its separated by double whites from the lane opposite going downhill.
Unfortunately, I think the point FiF is making is that if there's no centrtal reservation, its a single carriageway. The number of lanes is immaterial.
My thought is that if they need to cross the double whites in order to access the hardstanding, they'd be committing an offence unless they could successfully argue the "accessing a premises" point.
pdv6 sums up my train of thought exactly.
Lots of folks get caught this way, getting confused when is a road a dual carriageway or not. They think that as there are more than one lane in each direction separated by continuous white lines, or even a central hatched area surrounded by solid whites that this makes the road a dual and hence think the NSL is 70. Sadly it is still classed as a single carriageway and hence 60, not to mention the lower limits for vehicles other than cars/bikes/car derived vans.
Actually as disc on a very old thread the precise legislation on definition of a dual is not that clear, but what is clear is there has to be a construction down the middle. Or even a central grass strip. (that doesn't mean a bit of rural 3 ply with grass growing up the middle!)
I'll have a look for the old thread. Back later.
FiF
Two pertinent exemptions re crossing double white lines (if in fact that is what was done):
As mentioned by FiF:
to enable the vehicle to enter, from the side of the road on which it is proceeding, LAND or premises adjacent to the length of road on which the line is placed, or another road joining that road;also
for the purposes of complying with any direction of a constable in uniform or a traffic warden. (Was driver directed to take up that position by Police?)
[Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002]
DVD
As mentioned by FiF:
to enable the vehicle to enter, from the side of the road on which it is proceeding, LAND or premises adjacent to the length of road on which the line is placed, or another road joining that road;also
for the purposes of complying with any direction of a constable in uniform or a traffic warden. (Was driver directed to take up that position by Police?)
[Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002]
DVD
old thread here
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=1&f=10&t=104404
Entitled "when is a dual carriageway not a dual carriageway" or summat like.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=1&f=10&t=104404
Entitled "when is a dual carriageway not a dual carriageway" or summat like.
There are other exemptions to crossing a solid white line.
1. Avoid an accident
2. Pass a stationary vehicle (broken down or unloading passengers)
He can claim an exemption for crossing a white line if it is in order to turn right. I would expect that a 'u turn' would be included in this unless there is a sign specifically making this 'u turn' an illegal turn!
1. Avoid an accident
2. Pass a stationary vehicle (broken down or unloading passengers)
He can claim an exemption for crossing a white line if it is in order to turn right. I would expect that a 'u turn' would be included in this unless there is a sign specifically making this 'u turn' an illegal turn!
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