Police Mobile Camera Vans - Windscreen
Police Mobile Camera Vans - Windscreen
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S9JTO

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1,949 posts

116 months

Saturday 11th August 2018
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Just wondering whether anybody has had any experience of being caught head on by a police mobile camera van (through the windscreen).

Asking because I came over a crest in a 30mph zone following a line of traffic doing around 35mph-ish and noticed the mobile van on the opposite side of the road facing towards me. I, along with the traffic in front slowed well below 30mph before passing the rear of the van (which again, was located on the other side of the road - How they typically catch approaching traffic on the same side of the road) and noticed one of the windows was open and the camera appeared active, indicating the operator was sat in the rear...

I’ve been scouring the internet for a definitive answer, most seem to believe that the front facing cameras are simple CCTV for catching the rear plates of on-coming motorbikes as well as other things but nothing to track the speed of vehicles.

Does anybody have any experience/links of proof of this?

The van was police liveried with camera markers on only the rear of the van and was Cheshire police if that makes much difference.

littleredrooster

6,384 posts

226 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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I believe - but stand to be corrected - that the front camera is to photograph the plate of a speeding motorcycle after it has passed. Speeding is still detected from the rear only.

scorcher

4,125 posts

264 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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littleredrooster said:
I believe - but stand to be corrected - that the front camera is to photograph the plate of a speeding motorcycle after it has passed. Speeding is still detected from the rear only.
Or the side. But not the front.

Tomo1971

1,177 posts

187 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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Laser light is refracted as they pass through glass, hence the need for the hatch on the rear or side. So, no, detection, certainly by laser cant be done through a closed window

alistair1234

1,136 posts

176 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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Why would you slow well below 30? Why not just slow to 30.

ghe13rte

1,860 posts

146 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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They won’t use laser out of the front windscreen but some areas do have vans that work out of the front or the back.
They have a second aperture so that can be done.

S9JTO

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1,949 posts

116 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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alistair1234 said:
Why would you slow well below 30? Why not just slow to 30.
Because public safety is paramount sir

S9JTO

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116 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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scorcher said:
littleredrooster said:
I believe - but stand to be corrected - that the front camera is to photograph the plate of a speeding motorcycle after it has passed. Speeding is still detected from the rear only.
Or the side. But not the front.
Basically what I’ve read elsewhere, I think I’ll be very unlucky to have been caught but I’ll have to wait and see...

S9JTO

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1,949 posts

116 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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ghe13rte said:
They won’t use laser out of the front windscreen but some areas do have vans that work out of the front or the back.
They have a second aperture so that can be done.
Got any photos of said vans?

lyonspride

2,978 posts

185 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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You won't find any proof, they don't want people to know the truth. So they spread rumours, which are in turn spread socially and in turn end up all over social media and internet forums, which is why you won't find a definitive answer.

As mentioned above, the lidar is manned at the rear of the vehicle and does not work through glass. But the science doesn't matter if nobody believes it because Freds cousins uncle said different.

They certainly won't work through a windscreen, because you cannot have a road legal vehicle with a hole in it's windscreen.

speedking31

3,923 posts

166 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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Old thread with example.
2013.

Edited by speedking31 on Tuesday 14th August 01:20

S9JTO

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1,949 posts

116 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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speedking31 said:
Old thread with example.
2013.

Edited by speedking31 on Tuesday 14th August 01:20
I'm assuming this is in response to my post looking for examples - Fortunately the van I came across didn't have a hatch above the windscreen like those. It was a 2016-2018 style Transit (the larger ones).

S9JTO

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Tuesday 14th August 2018
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lyonspride said:
You won't find any proof, they don't want people to know the truth. So they spread rumours, which are in turn spread socially and in turn end up all over social media and internet forums, which is why you won't find a definitive answer.

As mentioned above, the lidar is manned at the rear of the vehicle and does not work through glass. But the science doesn't matter if nobody believes it because Freds cousins uncle said different.

They certainly won't work through a windscreen, because you cannot have a road legal vehicle with a hole in it's windscreen.
Let's hope you're right hehe

HantsRat

2,409 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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On a technical note, lasers do work through windscreens albeit with less range and more difficulty getting a reading. We don't however use them through glass.

S9JTO

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116 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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HantsRat said:
On a technical note, lasers do work through windscreens albeit with less range and more difficulty getting a reading. We don't however use them through glass.
"We" eek - Tell us more!

HantsRat

2,409 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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S9JTO said:
"We" eek - Tell us more!
Tell you more of what?

lyonspride

2,978 posts

185 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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HantsRat said:
On a technical note, lasers do work through windscreens albeit with less range and more difficulty getting a reading. We don't however use them through glass.
Can a laser go through glass? Partially yes, can any laser measuring equipment get an accurate reading through glass? Not without knowing the quality, thickness and composition (laminated?) of the glass AND then doing a st tonne of maths.

There would therefore be a policy of not doing speed measurement through glass, in order to avoid people getting off on a technicality.

This is also a reason why you don't usually see scamera/talivans on days where excessive speed would actually be dangerous (snow/ice/damp/cold), because there is a legal minimum working temperature of 16 degrees C in any job that isn't full on manual labour. Need the hatch open, which means.... Cold.


Hobbit1

36 posts

99 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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I was done by a van out of the front, clearly the fkers work both ways. Got to collect their tax revenue, right ?

HantsRat

2,409 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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lyonspride said:
This is also a reason why you don't usually see scamera/talivans on days where excessive speed would actually be dangerous (snow/ice/damp/cold), because there is a legal minimum working temperature of 16 degrees C in any job that isn't full on manual labour. Need the hatch open, which means.... Cold.
Utter tosh. Vehicles heaters negate that problem. Ice/Damp/Cold have no impact on whether speed vans operate in the slightest.

S9JTO

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Tuesday 14th August 2018
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HantsRat said:
Tell you more of what?
Is the only way of catching speeding motorists from the front (windscreen) with a van equipped with one of the hatches above the windscreen like this one and not a standard mobile speed camera van: http://thumbsnap.com/vjwGdQrK