Electronic Stability Program
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Hi I got a Zafira b 2013 and it has got "Electronic Stability Program" esp fitted.but I do not have the sports button fitted to turn it off! i like an after market switch/ button, so I can turn it of in an emergency, like getting of the road or up the hill and then be able to turn it back on, like some models have got that switch and have it myself fitted and the ecu modified?I know there was somebody i believe in Yorkshire/ Sheffield who did this work, but i do not remember the contact details
So from this I take it you must be superman behind the wheel of your car then & a total driving god to boot.
ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
E-bmw said:
So from this I take it you must be superman behind the wheel of your car then & a total driving god to boot.
ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
A little harsh there fella! He hasn't put anything about wanting to race around spinning his wheels and killing people. He just wants to turn the system off for the (rare) time full manual control over the wheels proves better.ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
I have personally had a situation like this in the snow, where I was stuck. Turning off the system allowed me to get my van moving again.
To Cyberfruits, are you sure there is no separate button to turn it off somewhere? Even my van which certainly doesn't have a sport button has a TC off button. Have you just got the car?
lincsls2 said:
E-bmw said:
So from this I take it you must be superman behind the wheel of your car then & a total driving god to boot.
ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
A little harsh there fella! He hasn't put anything about wanting to race around spinning his wheels and killing people. He just wants to turn the system off for the (rare) time full manual control over the wheels proves better.ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
I have personally had a situation like this in the snow, where I was stuck. Turning off the system allowed me to get my van moving again.
To Cyberfruits, are you sure there is no separate button to turn it off somewhere? Even my van which certainly doesn't have a sport button has a TC off button. Have you just got the car?
The killer for me was when he said he wanted to "switch it off in an emergency" picture the scene if you will:
Zafira (overweight, top-heavy and under-steery thing that they are) enters wintry corner way too fast & while the electronics try to keep it upright the driver takes his eyes off the road and reaches for the "ESP off" button..........
How do you think that scenario is going to end?
E-bmw said:
Wholly different circumstances to what he is suggesting, sorry, I disagree.
The killer for me was when he said he wanted to "switch it off in an emergency" picture the scene if you will:
Zafira (overweight, top-heavy and under-steery thing that they are) enters wintry corner way too fast & while the electronics try to keep it upright the driver takes his eyes off the road and reaches for the "ESP off" button..........
How do you think that scenario is going to end?
The emergency he may be talking about is getting stuck in mud or in snow somewhere. ESP is helpful in lots of situation - but not in times like I’ve mentioned. The killer for me was when he said he wanted to "switch it off in an emergency" picture the scene if you will:
Zafira (overweight, top-heavy and under-steery thing that they are) enters wintry corner way too fast & while the electronics try to keep it upright the driver takes his eyes off the road and reaches for the "ESP off" button..........
How do you think that scenario is going to end?
Not sure how many people want to race around In a zafira with esp or not anyway
E-bmw said:
So from this I take it you must be superman behind the wheel of your car then & a total driving god to boot.
ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
well you are an idiot, other cars have a sports button and there are situations one does not need traction control, get real learn to drive, I have for 40 rears driving and 30 years without abs or and eps or whatever safety future without an accident, so if you YOU need this you are a poor driver so get off the road and do us all a favour!ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
lincsls2 said:
A little harsh there fella! He hasn't put anything about wanting to race around spinning his wheels and killing people. He just wants to turn the system off for the (rare) time full manual control over the wheels proves better.
I have personally had a situation like this in the snow, where I was stuck. Turning off the system allowed me to get my van moving again.To Cyberfruits, are you sure there is no separate button to turn it off somewhere? Even my van which certainly doesn't have a sport button has a TC off button. Have you just got the car?
No button on this model, some models do, but not this one had the car for 3 years and it is difficult to get out of the drive and our minor road to the gritted road a mile away, as now live in rural Scotland and this exactly why I want to be at times to turn it off.I have personally had a situation like this in the snow, where I was stuck. Turning off the system allowed me to get my van moving again.To Cyberfruits, are you sure there is no separate button to turn it off somewhere? Even my van which certainly doesn't have a sport button has a TC off button. Have you just got the car?
cyberfruits said:
E-bmw said:
So from this I take it you must be superman behind the wheel of your car then & a total driving god to boot.
ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
well you are an idiot, other cars have a sports button and there are situations one does not need traction control, get real learn to drive, I have for 40 rears driving and 30 years without abs or and eps or whatever safety future without an accident, so if you YOU need this you are a poor driver so get off the road and do us all a favour!ESP makes decisions on how to keep you going forward and out of the local ditch many many times a second & reacts to them instantly (aside of the speed of electrons obviously) and you think you can do it better!
Well done.
Alternatively, I have 40 YEARS (rather than rears) of driving experience too, and also over 30 without driver aids and I too know that "in an emergency" the last thing anyone should be doing is turning it off!
Google suggests that Vauxhall sell a switch and loom for the 'sport' option, and also that ESP/TC can be disabled in an emergency by pulling the fuse it shares with PAS. Personally I'd be wary about making any wiring mods that have the potential to fail in a way that disables a safety critical system, also not sure what my insurers would say if it was done as a DIY modification, but it seems that you have a couple of possible approaches to disable ESP/TC (not sure which you are after in this case) if you want.
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