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DAVIDOXE said:
Hi all,
I have always wanted to scratch the 911 itch. I will have a budget of 25 - 30k.
My knowledge is very limited but find myself drawn to the 997 manual variant.
Is there anything i should look out for or avoid? Any other advice would be appreciated.
Cheers
Dave
Gets asked daily, iffy engines and cost a lot to run, they are £70k cars after all.I have always wanted to scratch the 911 itch. I will have a budget of 25 - 30k.
My knowledge is very limited but find myself drawn to the 997 manual variant.
Is there anything i should look out for or avoid? Any other advice would be appreciated.
Cheers
Dave
I would go 987.2 Cayman. For £30k
997.2 are £50k and very sort after.
They are valued less than the gen2 mainly because of a potential bore scoring issue - which is actually not the epidemic that the heads on fire ‘knowlsperati’ would have you believe. The good news is that - as with most things Porsche - prices seem to be set by and large by people who don’t actually know what they are doing.
Buy carefully, make sure that you inspect the bores as part of the inspection process and grab yourself an absolute bargain. Because that’s what a good gen 1 997 manual is at the moment.
Buy carefully, make sure that you inspect the bores as part of the inspection process and grab yourself an absolute bargain. Because that’s what a good gen 1 997 manual is at the moment.
As said above 987.2 Cayman is a better shout at that price range, none of the engine problems associated with 996 & 997.1's.
If you can add a bit to your budget, a 3.6 Carrera 997 Gen 2 is still a quick car, not far off the 3.8 and with PSE (sports exhaust) & PASM (active suspension) they are a very good sports car.
If you can add a bit to your budget, a 3.6 Carrera 997 Gen 2 is still a quick car, not far off the 3.8 and with PSE (sports exhaust) & PASM (active suspension) they are a very good sports car.
DAVIDOXE said:
Thanks for the advice guys. Isnt it always the case whatever your looking for you need to stretch the budget!!
The problem is i have a V12Vantage that i want to keep too so guess im being greedy.
Buy a 997 Carrera 3.6, you can buy a sensible mileage one for under £20k and they seem to suffer from less of the well documented issues; also not having the PASM suspension they actually drive better than a Carrera S The problem is i have a V12Vantage that i want to keep too so guess im being greedy.
alfapork said:
Or buy a really well sorted 996.
Either way you can reduce your exposure to bore scoring somewhat by buying something with lower miles.
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miles makes no oddsEither way you can reduce your exposure to bore scoring somewhat by buying something with lower miles.
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driving it like a nanny caused the issue. I know of tracked cars with 70k miles no problems.
the engine don't seem to like low revs and WOT. but most people seem to be scared of reving a cars engine for some odd reason so change gear at 2k !!! then moan about lag in 4th at 2k rpm !!! that what bore scores the engines.
DAVIDOXE said:
Thanks for the advice guys. Isnt it always the case whatever your looking for you need to stretch the budget!!
The problem is i have a V12Vantage that i want to keep too so guess im being greedy.
Find the extra for the 997.2 because after a few drives you won't be reaching for the Aston keys very often and will likely sell it due to lack of use.The problem is i have a V12Vantage that i want to keep too so guess im being greedy.
Porsche911R said:
miles makes no odds
driving it like a nanny caused the issue. I know of tracked cars with 70k miles no problems.
the engine don't seem to like low revs and WOT. but most people seem to be scared of reving a cars engine for some odd reason so change gear at 2k !!! then moan about lag in 4th at 2k rpm !!! that what bore scores the engines.
Is that a typo? Or are you meant to wait until you hit 4k before going wide open throttle?!driving it like a nanny caused the issue. I know of tracked cars with 70k miles no problems.
the engine don't seem to like low revs and WOT. but most people seem to be scared of reving a cars engine for some odd reason so change gear at 2k !!! then moan about lag in 4th at 2k rpm !!! that what bore scores the engines.
Si-3PO said:
Is that a typo? Or are you meant to wait until you hit 4k before going wide open throttle?!
driven right you should not be at 2k revs in 4thbut people do then moan about co2 built in lag and bore scoring !!
why people change gear so much is odd, they do it even more in PDK and worse PDK mode has you in 7th by 25mph !
the engines are built as high reving engines, they need to be driven as much, you have gears for a reason :-)
but what happens is people don't know when to change gear and find they are at 30mph in 4th then want WOT !!!
Basically low revs + WOT = a lot of strain on the engine
It's the piston coating and the liner material that (according to Hartech) leads to scoring.
Certainly flooring it in fourth at 2,000 rpm is not a particularly helpful thing to do, but I would think that most modern engines would take it in their stride - it would just be a way to use a lot of fuel whilst accelerating (initially) very slowly.
You could likely pick up a 997.1 and then stick enough money in an "just in case I need a rebuild fund" in order not to have to worry about it unduly, and if the worst happens you'd emerge with a 3.9 litre 997 that has all the annoying weaknesses that Porsche left in the M97 engineered out.
Certainly flooring it in fourth at 2,000 rpm is not a particularly helpful thing to do, but I would think that most modern engines would take it in their stride - it would just be a way to use a lot of fuel whilst accelerating (initially) very slowly.
You could likely pick up a 997.1 and then stick enough money in an "just in case I need a rebuild fund" in order not to have to worry about it unduly, and if the worst happens you'd emerge with a 3.9 litre 997 that has all the annoying weaknesses that Porsche left in the M97 engineered out.
Dammit said:
You could likely pick up a 997.1 and then stick enough money in an "just in case I need a rebuild fund" in order not to have to worry about it unduly, and if the worst happens you'd emerge with a 3.9 litre 997 that has all the annoying weaknesses that Porsche left in the M97 engineered out.
That's what I did, and I bought a very nice 997.1 C2S for £27k. But do buy a warranty...I did and am thanking my stars I did given that the IMS has just failed!! It won't cover the whole bill, but it will take a substantial chunk of it. Just make sure you up the claim limit (mine is £5k) and make sure the labour hourly rate is high enough to pay a specialist.It's a great car and really miss it and can't wait to get it back, hopefully at the end of September.
Edited by jezzaaa on Tuesday 28th August 21:31
think some others have said this already, but 30k for a good 997 isn't going to happen.
totally get your itch that needs scratching, but sub 50k, it's going to need a lot of work - which is quite cool if you want to do it yourself - but not cheap if you get someone else to do it.
Suggest you reconsider your budget and don't discount a 987 gen 2 boxster/cayman - really good cars and will fit your budget for a good example.
Best wishes in your search
Dammit said:
It's the piston coating and the liner material that (according to Hartech) leads to scoring.
Certainly flooring it in fourth at 2,000 rpm is not a particularly helpful thing to do, but I would think that most modern engines would take it in their stride - it would just be a way to use a lot of fuel whilst accelerating (initially) very slowly.
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Hence the stress on said lining and coating under the extra strain at wot at very low rpm.Certainly flooring it in fourth at 2,000 rpm is not a particularly helpful thing to do, but I would think that most modern engines would take it in their stride - it would just be a way to use a lot of fuel whilst accelerating (initially) very slowly.
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I think Porsche even came out with basic info stating drive the cars at higher revs.
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