Reporting someone on JSA?

[Danm1les]

Hi,

Is there anyway to find out if someone is on job seekers? We have had a couple of younger people apply for roles at work now and they never turn up for the interviews.

My thinking is that they are applying for jobs and obtaining interviews, not turning up to them but pretending that they did if that makes sense, so that they hit that week/months quota.

Thanks!

Dan

[Buster73]

Danm1les said:

Hi,

Is there anyway to find out if someone is on job seekers? We have had a couple of younger people apply for roles at work now and they never turn up for the interviews.

My thinking is that they are applying for jobs and obtaining interviews, not turning up to them but pretending that they did if that makes sense, so that they hit that week/months quota.

Thanks!

Dan

About ten years ago , we were approached by the job centre about a vacancy we had.

They’d targeted some long time unemployed to apply for the job and wanted feedback about the job applicants.

Out of a list of about 20 names , about half of them hadn’t applied, some who had applied had almost certainly done so in such a way they wouldn’t get to interview.

We decided to interview three , two of which didn’t turn up and one was so poor the interview was cut short and terminated much to his relief.

All of this was relayed back to the job centre, I have no idea what happened afterwards with the folk targeted.

[HTP99]

A few years ago we had a guy turn up in our showroom asking if we had any jobs; nothing specific just a job, he wasn't well presented and on first impressions wouldn't be someone that we would employ.

We told him we didn't have anything, he replied with "I don't want a job anyway I just need to be seen to be looking, can you sign this bit of paperwork from the Job Centre which says that I've been looking and I've asked in here?", we didn't and we showed him the door.

[anonymous-user]

Dob them in!

A couple of weeks of sanctions and the possible poverty, starvation and homelessness will teach those lazy feckers that they need to work HARD for that princely £57.90/£73.10 per week.

[James_B]

WorldBoss said:

Dob them in!

A couple of weeks of sanctions and the possible poverty, starvation and homelessness will teach those lazy feckers that they need to work HARD for that princely £57.90/£73.10 per week.

Yep, I’d agree with that. As Lenin said, he who will not work, neither shall he eat.

Why would anyone give money to someone who won’t even bother to turn up to interviews?

How messed up is society that people would think that that could make sense?

[LordHaveMurci]

My OH used to work for a government funded scheme to get long term unemployed into work, they regularly sanctioned people like this & handed out food bank vouchers so they wouldn't actually starve

They did also pay for new clothes & haircuts for interviews, bus fares etc so it wasn't all one sided.

[ToothbrushMan]

LordHaveMurci said:

My OH used to work for a government funded scheme to get long term unemployed into work, they regularly sanctioned people like this & handed out food bank vouchers so they wouldn't actually starve

They did also pay for new clothes & haircuts for interviews, bus fares etc so it wasn't all one sided.

times have a changed. in reference to those who want work........... you get zippo help now towards a haircut for interview or a crisp new shirt to make the best impression (you gotta pay for that out of your COLLOSAL £57 or £73 per week JSA depending age. if you want a labouring job on a building site the state wont even help you out by buying you a set of boots which is often a prerequisite of getting the job - no boots no job (few employes will buy your boots then deduct it from your first wage packet. If you need a CPC card to drive a truck forget it. no help for that either.

theres a shortage of HGV drivers apparently in the UK - courses for drivers can run to thousands. will the state take the longer view and pay for you to do the course so you can get off benefits and earn a decent living and pay back into the system ? Nope. Will they give you a loan or a grant to do it maybe? Nope. Go away and dont darken our doorstep seems to the standard these days. the JC+ do run courses but they arent solid recognised training courses theyre just courses that are for the brain dead but that just require you attend every day or you get sanctioned..

If you get an interview thats not exactly in walking distance , will they pay the travel costs (like they used to - I once had a £25 train ticket paid for by the JobCentre) nope. youre on your own in todays job market if you want to get off benefits. no money to help the unemployed plenty of money for other crap which the government seem to be able to find quickly when the shoe fits.

[Langweilig]

HTP99 said:

A few years ago we had a guy turn up in our showroom asking if we had any jobs; nothing specific just a job, he wasn't well presented and on first impressions wouldn't be someone that we would employ.

We told him we didn't have anything, he replied with "I don't want a job anyway I just need to be seen to be looking, can you sign this bit of paperwork from the Job Centre which says that I've been looking and I've asked in here?", we didn't and we showed him the door.

I think it's likely that the staff at the Job Centre pushed him to turn up and ask on spec. He'd probably have to agree to the condition "I will contact employers to see if they have any jobs" What they didn't tell him is that employers won't welcome on spec applicants. It should be obvious that if employers have any jobs on offer....they advertise in newspapers, for example.

[OldGermanHeaps]

ToothbrushMan said:

times have a changed. in reference to those who want work........... you get zippo help now towards a haircut for interview or a crisp new shirt to make the best impression (you gotta pay for that out of your COLLOSAL £57 or £73 per week JSA depending age. if you want a labouring job on a building site the state wont even help you out by buying you a set of boots which is often a prerequisite of getting the job - no boots no job (few employes will buy your boots then deduct it from your first wage packet. If you need a CPC card to drive a truck forget it. no help for that either.

theres a shortage of HGV drivers apparently in the UK - courses for drivers can run to thousands. will the state take the longer view and pay for you to do the course so you can get off benefits and earn a decent living and pay back into the system ? Nope. Will they give you a loan or a grant to do it maybe? Nope. Go away and dont darken our doorstep seems to the standard these days. the JC+ do run courses but they arent solid recognised training courses theyre just courses that are for the brain dead but that just require you attend every day or you get sanctioned..

If you get an interview thats not exactly in walking distance , will they pay the travel costs (like they used to - I once had a £25 train ticket paid for by the JobCentre) nope. youre on your own in todays job market if you want to get off benefits. no money to help the unemployed plenty of money for other crap which the government seem to be able to find quickly when the shoe fits.

Not the case in scotland. I have just taken a lad on off the dole, and the bru paid £70 for his steelies, hard hat, high vis etc, £500 for him to sit an exam to get his trade certification, and £100 for some online exams. This didn't seem out of the ordinary for anyone involved.

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

If you need PPE for your job, such as safety boots, the employer has to provide them free of charge.

[StevieBee]

Danm1les said:

Is there anyway to find out if someone is on job seekers? We have had a couple of younger people apply for roles at work now and they never turn up for the interviews.

Very common. Welcome to my world!

Even had some turn up and say they have no interest in the job but if they didn't attend they'd have their JSA cut!

[ToothbrushMan]

shows how dumb some people are if they are actually admitting they dont want the job - i find that incredible! knowing the system though i bet they dont get sanctioned and the the guy or gal who does want work woud get sanctioned for arriving 1 minute late for their signing,

[Frank7]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

If you need PPE for your job, such as safety boots, the employer has to provide them free of charge.

I doubted that, sorry, but I asked my wife, who’s involved in H & S where she works.
She said that it’s true if a company employs the person, but if someone self employed turns up to do a job, it’s down to them to supply their own.

[Jimmy Recard]

We had a guy a few years ago who just turned up at the reception desk at work and said that he had told the Job Centre he had attended an interview there, so if they call he wanted us to confirm it.

I don't think we got the call anyway but I hope no one backed him up if we did get the call. Sadly I think there are some there who might well have answered the call and confirmed his attendance

[98elise]

ToothbrushMan said:

LordHaveMurci said:

My OH used to work for a government funded scheme to get long term unemployed into work, they regularly sanctioned people like this & handed out food bank vouchers so they wouldn't actually starve

They did also pay for new clothes & haircuts for interviews, bus fares etc so it wasn't all one sided.

times have a changed. in reference to those who want work........... you get zippo help now towards a haircut for interview or a crisp new shirt to make the best impression (you gotta pay for that out of your COLLOSAL £57 or £73 per week JSA depending age. if you want a labouring job on a building site the state wont even help you out by buying you a set of boots which is often a prerequisite of getting the job - no boots no job (few employes will buy your boots then deduct it from your first wage packet. If you need a CPC card to drive a truck forget it. no help for that either.

theres a shortage of HGV drivers apparently in the UK - courses for drivers can run to thousands. will the state take the longer view and pay for you to do the course so you can get off benefits and earn a decent living and pay back into the system ? Nope. Will they give you a loan or a grant to do it maybe? Nope. Go away and dont darken our doorstep seems to the standard these days. the JC+ do run courses but they arent solid recognised training courses theyre just courses that are for the brain dead but that just require you attend every day or you get sanctioned..

If you get an interview thats not exactly in walking distance , will they pay the travel costs (like they used to - I once had a £25 train ticket paid for by the JobCentre) nope. youre on your own in todays job market if you want to get off benefits. no money to help the unemployed plenty of money for other crap which the government seem to be able to find quickly when the shoe fits.

My wife did her nursery practicioner qualifications a couple of years ago. There were a few people on the course who got it for free because they were on benefits. It was a condition of receiving benefits that they went for training (again I reiterate that everyone else had to pay for it).

When it came to handing work in or organising placements there were a few people on the course who seemed not to really give a fk. They did the bare minimum, and didn't turn up for the placements. Can you guess which people fell into that group?

I have members of my family who live entirety on benefits. When you know what you are doing you can make a reasonable career of benefits. If that wasn't try then why do we need an upper limit for benefits?

[EddyP]

These days we seem to have a lot of issues with public services being cut due to funding, such as care for the elderly, litter picking on the streets, gardening in the parks etc etc
If people want to stay long term unemployed then why can't they be made to do XX hours community service and help fill these gaps in order to keep their JSA?

[HTP99]

EddyP said:

These days we seem to have a lot of issues with public services being cut due to funding, such as care for the elderly, litter picking on the streets, gardening in the parks etc etc
If people want to stay long term unemployed then why can't they be made to do XX hours community service and help fill these gaps in order to keep their JSA?

I'm pretty sure that something simar was proposed or mentioned a few years ago but all the lefties and do gooders were up in arms saying it was demeaning or something, so it never went further.

[StevieBee]

HTP99 said:

EddyP said:

These days we seem to have a lot of issues with public services being cut due to funding, such as care for the elderly, litter picking on the streets, gardening in the parks etc etc
If people want to stay long term unemployed then why can't they be made to do XX hours community service and help fill these gaps in order to keep their JSA?

I'm pretty sure that something simar was proposed or mentioned a few years ago but all the lefties and do gooders were up in arms saying it was demeaning or something, so it never went further.

It's a paradox of living in a democratic, civil society. Many years ago, the provision of labour was permitted in lieu of tax where cash could not be paid by an individual. This was banned because it was at the time difficult to appropriate a level work that was equitable to the level of tax that would otherwise have to be paid. It also had over-tones of slavery (enforced labour) and the system was milked by employers (including government) who were getting free labour which in turn started to suppress normal employment opportunities.

I guess the argument today would be similar and there also exists the issue of enforcement. What if someone is put to work and they don't show up? OK, they don't get their benefits but what then?...are we as a society really willing to let them starve? ...would we not be pushing them into a life of crime which would cost more to deal with than the bear minimum welfare each month?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting the current situation nor those that make the choice to live on benefits. Just highlighting the moral and practical hurdles that exist to establish a decent solution.

It may well be that we have to accept that there will always be a sub-sector of society that choose to exist in such situations

[theboss]

The problem has grown to this extent because any sense of social shame or stigma associated with welfare dependency has been lost - its entirely rational for people to take a free lunch when offered and thats exactly what benefits claimants are doing. In the process, a culture not only of dependency but expectation and entitlement has been fostered. I have family members, and now an exwife, who gain far more in exploiting the welfare system than they could ever hope to earn in employment.

[BoRED S2upid]

EddyP said:

These days we seem to have a lot of issues with public services being cut due to funding, such as care for the elderly, litter picking on the streets, gardening in the parks etc etc
If people want to stay long term unemployed then why can't they be made to do XX hours community service and help fill these gaps in order to keep their JSA?

They don’t even do this for prisoners never mind benefits claimants! Start with the thousands of prisoners due for release first get them back in the community helping out then work on benefits claimants.