2007 Vantage TPMS replacement
Discussion
I had a blow out recently. Result of which was a smashed up TPMS sensor.
A replacement compatible sensor was cloned and fitted. and according to the diagnostic kit, transmitting on safe frequency, same data, same RFID. But the warning lamp is still illuminated.
I went to AM today to have them re-program the system to recognise the new TPMS sensor (As I understand it, whilst most things are cloned, the specific serial number of the failed sensor is not duplicated, so the new sensor has a different one).
Unfortunately, they were unable to help. All four wheels have aftermarket compatible sensors presumably swapped at some point by a previous owner. AM say that in order for the programmer to work, all four will need to be replaced with official Beru ones at a cost of £560.
Obviously I'm quite alarms at such a huge bill due to a single failed sensor. Equally obviously, whilst my local AM dealer might be unable to program these aftermarket sensors into the system, someone else must have...
Is anyone aware of anyone else who might be able to do the programming? I'm basic in Bristol, UK.
Failing that, can the entire TPMS system be upgraded to a newer self-learning system? If I do have to spend that sort of money I'd rather have something newer that can cope with a future replacement sensor in a more cost effective manner than the system that is in there now. Are the system from the newer cars compatible if the control unit and all sensors are changed?
A replacement compatible sensor was cloned and fitted. and according to the diagnostic kit, transmitting on safe frequency, same data, same RFID. But the warning lamp is still illuminated.
I went to AM today to have them re-program the system to recognise the new TPMS sensor (As I understand it, whilst most things are cloned, the specific serial number of the failed sensor is not duplicated, so the new sensor has a different one).
Unfortunately, they were unable to help. All four wheels have aftermarket compatible sensors presumably swapped at some point by a previous owner. AM say that in order for the programmer to work, all four will need to be replaced with official Beru ones at a cost of £560.
Obviously I'm quite alarms at such a huge bill due to a single failed sensor. Equally obviously, whilst my local AM dealer might be unable to program these aftermarket sensors into the system, someone else must have...
Is anyone aware of anyone else who might be able to do the programming? I'm basic in Bristol, UK.
Failing that, can the entire TPMS system be upgraded to a newer self-learning system? If I do have to spend that sort of money I'd rather have something newer that can cope with a future replacement sensor in a more cost effective manner than the system that is in there now. Are the system from the newer cars compatible if the control unit and all sensors are changed?
Edited by ianbale on Friday 7th September 12:19
It looks like AM have made it worse...
When I went on, the receiver was only showing a fault on one sensor. Now its showing a fault on all of them! I guess they somehow deprogrammed all of them... :-(
I've tried unplugging it, but I still get the warning on the dash. I can clear it using the T1/T2 and READ buttons, but it come straight back on when unplugged. Anyone now how to rectify that? Something to do with the 4th wire being used to detect that the unit is attached I believe...
When I went on, the receiver was only showing a fault on one sensor. Now its showing a fault on all of them! I guess they somehow deprogrammed all of them... :-(
I've tried unplugging it, but I still get the warning on the dash. I can clear it using the T1/T2 and READ buttons, but it come straight back on when unplugged. Anyone now how to rectify that? Something to do with the 4th wire being used to detect that the unit is attached I believe...
ianbale said:
MIne's a late 2007 one and seems to be the first with the extra wire to detect if the unit has been removed...
I think you can buy a 'bypass' cable that could help (See www.redpants.lol aka Telum01) for his stock.I originally paid for new sensors and had them programmed, but then I swapped to new alloys and tyres (and wasn't prepared to spend a load of money again on a very outdated system).
I got the feeling that as mine is an 06, the indy dealer probably just pulled the wire out the back and no more 'check tyre' warnings.
I found this:
Blue/red is 12V switched power
Black is ground
Red is the TPMS system fault line
White is the tyre low pressure fault line
Connect Red and White to ground. Seems to work. Just have a loose bit of wire in there for now to test. Will make it a little more permanent later.
Would still be nice to find a way to reprogram it with the sensors that have been in there and working since I got the car. Seems ridiculous to throw away 4 working sensors...
Blue/red is 12V switched power
Black is ground
Red is the TPMS system fault line
White is the tyre low pressure fault line
Connect Red and White to ground. Seems to work. Just have a loose bit of wire in there for now to test. Will make it a little more permanent later.
Would still be nice to find a way to reprogram it with the sensors that have been in there and working since I got the car. Seems ridiculous to throw away 4 working sensors...
I originally went in with the idea that I wanted everything perfect and working on my car.
I then realised the cost of not only the sensors, but also that only AM could do it (Having bought the sensors myself and then AM Cheltenham wanting to charge me 2 hours labour..........but that's another story).
The system is so old and outdated that I eventually decided it wasn't worth the money.
I now just check my tyres visually.
For info, the AM sensors have a built in battery, which also goes after time, which cannot be replaced separately. So you need to buy a new sensor and get it re-programmed again.
I am not aware of anyone else who has got a 'non AM' brand of sensors to work and not show the check tyres message. I am happy to be corrected if that is the case. Most people either disconnect or get the bypass cable.
I then realised the cost of not only the sensors, but also that only AM could do it (Having bought the sensors myself and then AM Cheltenham wanting to charge me 2 hours labour..........but that's another story).
The system is so old and outdated that I eventually decided it wasn't worth the money.
I now just check my tyres visually.
For info, the AM sensors have a built in battery, which also goes after time, which cannot be replaced separately. So you need to buy a new sensor and get it re-programmed again.
I am not aware of anyone else who has got a 'non AM' brand of sensors to work and not show the check tyres message. I am happy to be corrected if that is the case. Most people either disconnect or get the bypass cable.
All 4 wheels on mine when I bought the car had non-AM sensors fitted.
All working fine until I bust one...
I'm thinking the same. Just leave it for now. Will be upgrading to a newer 4.7S next year anyway, so not long to put up with it. Mainly I needed the warning lamp gone - otherwise automatic MOT failure - which I've sorted with the above wiring info.
I'm going to give the dealers who have serviced the car in the past a call. Chances are, one of those programmed in these sensors. Maybe they know something Bristol AM do not... Coincidentally, it's been to Cheltenham a fair bit in the past...
All working fine until I bust one...
I'm thinking the same. Just leave it for now. Will be upgrading to a newer 4.7S next year anyway, so not long to put up with it. Mainly I needed the warning lamp gone - otherwise automatic MOT failure - which I've sorted with the above wiring info.
I'm going to give the dealers who have serviced the car in the past a call. Chances are, one of those programmed in these sensors. Maybe they know something Bristol AM do not... Coincidentally, it's been to Cheltenham a fair bit in the past...
Edited by ianbale on Thursday 6th September 15:25
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