When will Blair go ?
Discussion
For Labour not a moment too soon.
For the Tories who cares. Whoever else they put at the top now Labour are rubberducked as of the next election for 2009-2017.
The perceived state economy is all that saved them this time together with little obvious opposition and long memories. Next time they will get trounced and will descend to the depths of third place behind the Libdems.
A man can still dream can't he?
For the Tories who cares. Whoever else they put at the top now Labour are rubberducked as of the next election for 2009-2017.
The perceived state economy is all that saved them this time together with little obvious opposition and long memories. Next time they will get trounced and will descend to the depths of third place behind the Libdems.
A man can still dream can't he?
rude-boy said:
For Labour not a moment too soon.
For the Tories who cares. Whoever else they put at the top now Labour are rubberducked as of the next election for 2009-2017.
The perceived state economy is all that saved them this time together with little obvious opposition and long memories. Next time they will get trounced and will descend to the depths of third place behind the Libdems.
A man can still dream can't he?
What is a perceived state economy??
No, Blair has had his glorious victory and he's been overdue to leave for a while. He will slip out after a month or so, they will want the new bloke to crack on, just like the conservative school of thinking. Blair is overdue some time off and this will be it. Previous to his Euro gravy post he will have soon.
I also think that Brown will not be the number 2. Remember, the party is super important compared to individuals. The successor will come out of the woodwork like a rocket and make James Bond look like Harry Seacombe. It will be some hotshot. I've convinced myself that this is the case and if I had any spare, I would put money on it.
I also think that Brown will not be the number 2. Remember, the party is super important compared to individuals. The successor will come out of the woodwork like a rocket and make James Bond look like Harry Seacombe. It will be some hotshot. I've convinced myself that this is the case and if I had any spare, I would put money on it.
rude-boy said:
What is a perceived stateof the economy??
Sorry missing words inserted - tyeing slower than brain today. (Usually other way round!)
I'm no economist but there is far too much private debt for my liking for one thing.
Yes there are signs that something is wrong with the economy-maybe not a crash, but definitely slow growth for a while.
The biggest hit for Labours popularity is likely to come from tax rises however, including council tax rebanding.
Blair will go mid-term I reckon. In time to make way for Brown at the next election. Can Brown win an election? Maybe. Maybe. Not if we get the sort of troubles that Callaghan had to put with.
As to the economy: It has some major problems. Nearly half of the economy is now "directed" - rather than being free. This is because government, its services, and the immediate suppliers to those services make up more than 50% of the spend in the UK today.
It has always been a big percentage - but it is at an unprecendented size today as I understand it.
Society is now divided almost completely into "Donors" and "Recipients". You are a "Recipient" if you depend, for your livelihood, directly on the state. This means public servants as well as "doleites". If you are a "Donor" you basically give half your wealth generation to a "Recipient" under our current system.
You may argue you get fair value for it - certainly we all want decent public services. And we should DEMAND them, the amount we are paying! I personally argue that however good public services are it *cannot* be good for either society or the economy for the "Recipient" percentage to be above 50%.
We will see in the coming few years whether this level of directed economy is sustainable - or if it implodes and we suffer a nasty recession.
My money is on the recession.
I just hope its late enough in the next term to oust this lot.
Brown is not an irresponsible Chancellor - he has done some inspired things (BoE controls interest rate) but I think his philosophy is wrong and it will all go a bit wrong for him in due course.
And we'll suffer for it. Nice.
As to the economy: It has some major problems. Nearly half of the economy is now "directed" - rather than being free. This is because government, its services, and the immediate suppliers to those services make up more than 50% of the spend in the UK today.
It has always been a big percentage - but it is at an unprecendented size today as I understand it.
Society is now divided almost completely into "Donors" and "Recipients". You are a "Recipient" if you depend, for your livelihood, directly on the state. This means public servants as well as "doleites". If you are a "Donor" you basically give half your wealth generation to a "Recipient" under our current system.
You may argue you get fair value for it - certainly we all want decent public services. And we should DEMAND them, the amount we are paying! I personally argue that however good public services are it *cannot* be good for either society or the economy for the "Recipient" percentage to be above 50%.
We will see in the coming few years whether this level of directed economy is sustainable - or if it implodes and we suffer a nasty recession.
My money is on the recession.
I just hope its late enough in the next term to oust this lot.
Brown is not an irresponsible Chancellor - he has done some inspired things (BoE controls interest rate) but I think his philosophy is wrong and it will all go a bit wrong for him in due course.
And we'll suffer for it. Nice.
Don said:
My money is on the recession.
I just hope its late enough in the next term to oust this lot.
That sounds frankly masochistic and likely to cause a one-term swing to Tories while they ride out the inflationary consequences and then get beaten up all over again at the next election.
hut49 said:
My money is on the recession.
I just hope its late enough in the next term to oust this lot.
That sounds frankly masochistic and likely to cause a one-term swing to Tories while they ride out the inflationary consequences and then get beaten up all over again at the next election.
But they will remember this und blame whole recession on the whole 12 years of Tone's rule...(assuming next election ist 2009....) Und wil be more than one term as result....
But they need strong leader - und both parties are in same boat...neither has decent candidate-in- waiting
Und judging from reports of ovrall turn-out - either they voted for the "none of these" party or are politically apatheitc.
Und I did not vote for labour layabout either....
Und ist secret between me und ballot box ... but I think you may guess anyway
What odds did you get?
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