Project Management

[audi321]

Hi all.

Does anyone know if the Prince2 Agile (foundation and practitioner) qualification is the most industry wide recognised qualification? Specifically in the software industry.

If not, what would be the best one?

Thanks in advance.

[anonymous-user]

Its the bog standard door opening qualification for PMs.

[audi321]

Vandenberg said:

Its the bog standard door opening qualification for PMs.

Thanks, when you say bog standard, is there a better (more advanced) version then?

[silent ninja]

PRINCE2 is unlikely to help you on the job. Doing a PM job will make you a better PM. PRINCE2 is good for context. Don't get the impression you can do PRINCE2 and walk in to a PM role, it won't do any harm though.

For software , agile methodologies like Scrum are the rage - although they are typically poorly implemented in organisations. If you don't change processes, accountabilities and ultimately the culture, agile is pretty useless and nothing will help you. You can't learn agile from a textbook either. Try a seminar or shadowing.

[anonymous-user]

audi321 said:

Prince2 Agile

I believe this is neither Prince2 nor Agile, rather a hybrid and relatively new. I have never done Prince2, but have other PM quals and I agree that P2 is the entry level qualification, but that isn't a bad thing. Although, no one has ever asked me why I didn't have or, or told me that I need it.

Agile is absolutely where to focus now, so I think if you are new to the industry then this hybrid P2/Agile would be a really good place to start.

It does depend what you actually want to do in the project world, being a PM is a starting point, and this feels like a good place to start...

[anonymous-user]

audi321 said:

Thanks, when you say bog standard, is there a better (more advanced) version then?

I meant to expand to say that as a methodology its flawed, its only real use IMO is its a door opener with recruitment bods. Without it that door is shut.

If I was to offer any advice, it would be avoid project mgt like the plague and aim for product mgt. Majority of PM jobs are basically admin and nagging your colleagues to do their job.

[MikeDrop]

For IT, it's fast becoming an archaic method of working as more and more systems/apps move to the Cloud.

The move towards APM/Agile etc. is ramping up.

[21TonyK]

What about PM in construction? Whats the thoughts there?

(Daughter is considering a masters in PM following on from architecture)

[mcg_]

I've got prince 2 foundation or something. no use for work but probably looks good on a CV.

[BoRED S2upid]

I remember after my PRINCE 2 practitioners exam the last thing our tutor told us as we left was “of course nobody manages a project using P2 but you will I hope use some of the methodology I’ve taught you over the last 2 days” straight to the pub never looked at the text book again.

[Hol]

BoRED S2upid said:

I remember after my PRINCE 2 practitioners exam the last thing our tutor told us as we left was “of course nobody manages a project using P2 but you will I hope use some of the methodology I’ve taught you over the last 2 days” straight to the pub never looked at the text book again.

Yup,
Pretty much my experience to.

Its been on my CV for years, bus its only in the last three years that anyone has asked to see my Certificates.
But they also asked for all my secondary,higher education and other professional certificates too.

The same for the people on my team. All the onboarding outsourcing companies are asking for proof of everything, where before, not many bothered.

[GT03ROB]

21TonyK said:

What about PM in construction? Whats the thoughts there?

(Daughter is considering a masters in PM following on from architecture)

For construction, forget anything to do with Prince / Agile / Scrum or whatever other nonsense there is. The number one qualification for PMing in construction is experience.

[anonymous-user]

GT03ROB said:

For construction, forget anything to do with Prince / Agile / Scrum or whatever other nonsense there is. The number one qualification for PMing in construction is experience.

See the thread on PMI, on here, The above is correct, I had dinner a few weeks ago with the HR team of a major oil company and a major USA engineering, construction contractor, they had never heard of Prince, Scrum or Agile.

However things are changing and formal qualifications are needed but Prince isn't one of them.

[GT03ROB]

Berw said:

See the thread on PMI, on here, The above is correct, I had dinner a few weeks ago with the HR team of a major oil company and a major USA engineering, construction contractor, they had never heard of Prince, Scrum or Agile.

However things are changing and formal qualifications are needed but Prince isn't one of them.

Correct & the formal qualification needs to be in a technical discipline. I've yet to see any of the oil majors or EPC contractors look or demand any formal qualification in PM.

[21TonyK]

GT03ROB said:

Berw said:

See the thread on PMI, on here, The above is correct, I had dinner a few weeks ago with the HR team of a major oil company and a major USA engineering, construction contractor, they had never heard of Prince, Scrum or Agile.

However things are changing and formal qualifications are needed but Prince isn't one of them.

Correct & the formal qualification needs to be in a technical discipline. I've yet to see any of the oil majors or EPC contractors look or demand any formal qualification in PM.

Thanks, a Masters in PM is her next plan.

[Hol]

GT03ROB said:

21TonyK said:

What about PM in construction? Whats the thoughts there?

(Daughter is considering a masters in PM following on from architecture)

For construction, forget anything to do with Prince / Agile / Scrum or whatever other nonsense there is. The number one qualification for PMing in construction is experience.

(FR)Agile development more like.

[ofcorsa]

Have you looked at

https://apmg-international.com/product/agilepm

[BobSaunders]

Going to be doing my Prince2 and ITIL in the next couple of weeks, it's just a certificate on my CV, and ultimately a differentiator or tick box when push comes to shove when applying for a role.

[hooblah]

Vandenberg said:

I meant to expand to say that as a methodology its flawed, its only real use IMO is its a door opener with recruitment bods. Without it that door is shut.

If I was to offer any advice, it would be avoid project mgt like the plague and aim for product mgt. Majority of PM jobs are basically admin and nagging your colleagues to do their job.

Please do go on. I've been considering getting into a project based role. I've been told not to bother as you're constantly chasing people, and it's better to be chased than to chase others.

[eliot]

I’m an employer in IT (azure cloud if anyone is looking for a new job..). I rarely look at the qualifications section of a CV. I read the summary and look at the work they have been doing for the last few years. The rest is done via call and f2f.