DBZ Centenary Collection.

[Cold]

Another day, another ermm, thingy. More limited edition expensiveness.

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From the blurb:

* DBZ Centenary Collection comprises of DB4 GT Zagato Continuation and DBS GT Zagato
* Production strictly limited to 19 pairs – cars will not be sold separately
* Conceived to mark Zagato’s centenary in 2019
*Track-only DB4 GT Zagato Continuation to be built at Aston Martin Works, Newport Pagnell – original home of the DB4
*Road-legal DBS GT Zagato to be built at Aston Martin’s Gaydon headquarters
*Zagato Collection priced at £6m plus local taxes

[dbs2000]

At least 1 is road legal this time. It does feel a little like book fluffing that's for sure.

[Jon39]

There do not seem to be any photographs of the DBSS Zagato.

I wonder what the owners of the original cars, think about these replicas?

[Beefmeister]

Jon39 said:

There do not seem to be any photographs of the DBSS Zagato.

I wonder what the owners of the original cars, think about these replicas?

This is as much as we've got on the DBS GT Zagato, though you can guarantee it'll look nothing like this!




I'm sure original DB4 GT Zagato owners will be ecstatic about these, as it'll inevitably push original values up.

[ajr550]

yawn

[Big Ry]

£6m.....!!!!!!!

Is it just me or are all of these continuation and limited edition cars starting to feel like they're not that special at all anymore, as they seem to be churning out a new one each week.

I think AML need to be a bit careful here not to over cook things. If you continue to churn out more and more of this stuff then it's going to loose it's appeal.

For me it's a bit like the V600. Whilst very nice, is it worth nearly 3 times what you could get a GT12 for........or 5 times what a V12S AMR would cost...........not for me it wouldn't be.

[Beefmeister]

Big Ry said:

£6m.....!!!!!!!

Is it just me or are all of these continuation and limited edition cars starting to feel like they're not that special at all anymore, as they seem to be churning out a new one each week.

I think AML need to be a bit careful here not to over cook things. If you continue to churn out more and more of this stuff then it's going to loose it's appeal.

For me it's a bit like the V600. Whilst very nice, is it worth nearly 3 times what you could get a GT12 for........or 5 times what a V12S AMR would cost...........not for me it wouldn't be.

£7.2m actually, you forgot the tax.

And with all these cars it's not a case of value. Those who can spend £7m on two Astons are in the 'want' zone, value doesn't come into it.

(I am generalising obviously, of course some care about value at that level, just not many)

[Big Ry]

Beefmeister said:

£7.2m actually, you forgot the tax.

And with all these cars it's not a case of value. Those who can spend £7m on two Astons are in the 'want' zone, value doesn't come into it.

(I am generalising obviously, of course some care about value at that level, just not many)

I agree with that, however I still think if they carry on like this then the appeal of all these limited runs just start to loose their shine a little.

[V8LM]

Big Ry said:

Is it just me or are all of these continuation and limited edition cars starting to feel like they're not that special at all anymore, as they seem to be churning out a new one each week.

The plan is for one a year, so no, not special.

[Jon39]

Could it be a coincidence ?

Do you know why this announcement was made today ?

Tomorrow the connection will probably be revealed.

[RobDown]

Naughty Jon

As I’ve posted on the other thread (and I’m sure you know), a certain company’s IPO prospectus is due to be published tomorrow

What I still don’t see is what Works are going to do beyond the DB4 Zagato. How do they build a multi-year business plan when they’ve already done all of the big past hits?

[V8LM]

Not that the DBZ was built at NP.

[PantsFire]

Anyone else see a happy robot face in that grill?

[Big Ry]

RobDown said:

What I still don’t see is what Works are going to do beyond the DB4 Zagato. How do they build a multi-year business plan when they’ve already done all of the big past hits?

Come on Rob, I know you're keen on a Lagonda continuation model. complete with dodgy electronics

[jonby]

RobDown said:

What I still don’t see is what Works are going to do beyond the DB4 Zagato. How do they build a multi-year business plan when they’ve already done all of the big past hits?

I guess the most obvious is a DBR (1, 2 or 3) and perhaps, a DBR4 or 5, if these cars are primarily for private track days, given they aren't road legal and presumably not eligible for classic car racing.

Although the DB5 Bond continuation they've launched is not exactly an obvious choice for a track day, so if it is assumed lots of owners will find ways to make these road legal, or that they are simply being bought by hugely wealthy individuals with enormous collections who simply don't care, I guess the most obvious choices next are for an Italian Job spec DB4 convertible or Prince of Wales spec drop top DB6

Then it does get much more difficult - cars like DBS gen 1 could be done along the same lines, but surely there isn't a market for cars like these at 2-3M for a re-issue ?

At what stage does an '80s V8 Zagato or a '90s V600 become sufficiently classic to do a re-issue, or even a mark 2 DBS !

But yes the key is that the very best most desirable from the back catalogue seem to now have all been announced

Lagonda may have been brought up tongue in cheek above, but actually, before it was posted, I had thought about that too. Firstly as a re-issue along similar lines to the DB4GT/Zag re-ssues, then as an all electric car. That got me thinking further - electrified versions of DB4/5/6, along the lines of the electric E-type recently announced - surely that must be on the cards given aston's investement in electric drivetrains and the way the market is going generally ? It doesn't appeal to me, but there would appear to be a market.

[Big Ry]

jonby said:

Lagonda may have been brought up tongue in cheek above, but actually, before it was posted, I had thought about that too. Firstly as a re-issue along similar lines to the DB4GT/Zag re-ssues, then as an all electric car. That got me thinking further - electrified versions of DB4/5/6, along the lines of the electric E-type recently announced - surely that must be on the cards given aston's investement in electric drivetrains and the way the market is going generally ? It doesn't appeal to me, but there would appear to be a market.

I think you've hit it bang on the head, I reckon they'll release electric versions of some of these classics......now it makes sense.

How long before some ingenious bod shoe horns an electric motor into a Vantage. Why not eh, you can buy an early Vantage for reasonable money.......some bloke with overalls and thick glasses must already be trying this in their shed........I hope

[RobDown]

Yes, good thinking - like that EV version of the E-Type

[Jon39]

Big Ry said:

How long before some ingenious bod shoe horns an electric motor into a Vantage.

Yes, I can picture it now.

Sitting at the wheel of your new Aston Martin Vantage E.
You blip the throttle to hear that wonderful Aston Martin sound.

Oh dear, complete silence.

How many of you have been drooling over the titanium exhaust option?

Call me a luddite, but I associate Aston Martin with beauty and also wonderful sounds.
I don't want created electronic sound either, so therefore won't be interested in buying.

[Beefmeister]

jonby said:

I guess the most obvious is a DBR (1, 2 or 3) and perhaps, a DBR4 or 5, if these cars are primarily for private track days, given they aren't road legal and presumably not eligible for classic car racing.

Although the DB5 Bond continuation they've launched is not exactly an obvious choice for a track day, so if it is assumed lots of owners will find ways to make these road legal, or that they are simply being bought by hugely wealthy individuals with enormous collections who simply don't care, I guess the most obvious choices next are for an Italian Job spec DB4 convertible or Prince of Wales spec drop top DB6

Then it does get much more difficult - cars like DBS gen 1 could be done along the same lines, but surely there isn't a market for cars like these at 2-3M for a re-issue ?

At what stage does an '80s V8 Zagato or a '90s V600 become sufficiently classic to do a re-issue, or even a mark 2 DBS !

But yes the key is that the very best most desirable from the back catalogue seem to now have all been announced

Lagonda may have been brought up tongue in cheek above, but actually, before it was posted, I had thought about that too. Firstly as a re-issue along similar lines to the DB4GT/Zag re-ssues, then as an all electric car. That got me thinking further - electrified versions of DB4/5/6, along the lines of the electric E-type recently announced - surely that must be on the cards given aston's investement in electric drivetrains and the way the market is going generally ? It doesn't appeal to me, but there would appear to be a market.

I saw a story a couple of weeks ago that one of the engineering firms like Lazante or RML has said they're offering a road registering package for the DB5 Continuation models. I'm sure these DB4GTZs will be road legal very soon after being built. What's another £500k to be able to actually drive it?

What I don't understand is why Aston doesn't do that extra bit themselves, maybe because they can't being a full-scale manufacturer.

[Jon39]

Beefmeister said:

What I don't understand is why Aston doesn't do that extra bit themselves, maybe because they can't being a full-scale manufacturer.

Yes, I think you are correct Tim.

When replicas of old cars are built new now, I presume that it is impossible for a manufacturer to meet todays legislation (crash test standards, air bags, seat head restraints, emissions etc.).

With such significant differences which remain unchanged, it does therefore seem odd, that an outside firm can then easily make a new 'old' design car, legal for use on the road.