T.V.Rs ENGINE DILEMMA
Discussion
Whilst reading through various threads and speaking to people in the know it seems that there is an inherent design flaw in the design of the speed 6 and ajp engines,a problem sure as this is bound to eventually cause the company long term damage. wouldnt a better option be to ditch these engines and turn to the V8 jag engines, a unit with proven reliabillty and more than enough bhp and torq to match and still with a lot of development life left in it. land rover are taking this option with the third generation disco and new range rover being adapted to take the jag engine within the next year or so. From what i can gather peter wheeler is a proud man and likes to keep things british and buying the jag engine he can still keep that mantle, otherwise what will become of t.v.r if these problems persist
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Who says there is an inherent flaw in the AJP 4.5 engine?
For your info I am probably going to buy a Jag to replace my ageing Rover Vitesse - a 4.2 litre V8 to replace a 2 litre turbo albeit with the wick turned up.
The Jag is not to replace our Red Rose Cerbera.
How many V8 jags have you heard about that suffer with poor reliabillty?
Lost Boys
Sweet. A Turkey Shoot.
As the quote goes;
‘Some men see things as they are and say why, other men dream of things that never were and say why not?’
The fastest, most beautiful car in the world – powered by a bespoke British built engine and can still eek (maybe just) into the pockets of the British men and woman who stick their thumbs up as it roars by.
Balls. Any collaborative road will lead to it’s own impotence.
Keep TVR Pure!
As the quote goes;
‘Some men see things as they are and say why, other men dream of things that never were and say why not?’
The fastest, most beautiful car in the world – powered by a bespoke British built engine and can still eek (maybe just) into the pockets of the British men and woman who stick their thumbs up as it roars by.
Balls. Any collaborative road will lead to it’s own impotence.
Keep TVR Pure!
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Surely all TVR have to do is improve the quality of the components & detune the engine slightly, after all thats what happened to the AJP V8.
[ /quote] It takes a lot of money in redeveloping and quality issues solving. Imagine what the cost would have been to develop these engines and the tooling up in the first place,something that can more than become a financial burden to the biggest of car firms, a small firm like t.v.r could be brought to its knees by such issues
Totally fair comment - and I fully see that there must come a bite point between reliability and pride.
My personal view is that TVR should move forward with it's own power plant, but be kinder to the early adopters in terms of longer and deeper cover (to offset belt and braces R&D and QA cost), and make it proven to be robust before moving on to new strains.
>> Edited by S100 SPB on Wednesday 18th September 21:40
Speed 6 and AJP'S are good ,i've had 4 tvr's and only one break down my AUDI AND V DUBS have being in 12 times in two years so what dose that say,the problem is the dealers not checking the tappits at a 1000mile and using mobil 1 oil + the first owner not running it in.If this is done you should have no probs.
Thom i know this has hit a sore point with you but at the end of the day we would all like to t.v.r sort its quality issues and prosper,and gain the respect from the competion as a serious supercar manufacturer that it rightly deserves.But at this rate its not gona happen,its no good getting upset about it its a fact
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Thom i know this has hit a sore point with you but at the end of the day we would all like to t.v.r sort its quality issues and prosper,and gain the respect from the competion as a serious supercar manufacturer that it rightly deserves.But at this rate its not gona happen,its no good getting upset about it its a fact
No no, you don't hit a sore at all!
It just makes me laugh that everybody's eager to see TVR becoming a "supercar manufacturer" blah blah blah
Maybe TVR don't deserve such a status, and finally that's not so bad. If TVR were as well-known as Porsche or Ferrari, would we still love them?
I wouldn't.
They're just fine where they are now, just need to improve these engines a bit and customer care, that's all...
(and fingers crossed of course) >> Edited by Thom on Thursday 19th September 07:05
Just being good at where they are now is not gona take a company like t.v.r forward.In this day and age quality and consistancy are the main issues.if you dont address these problems you are soon forgotten,and it will be left to just people like ourselves (enthusiasts) to carry the name on,and that is not good for anyone
What an absolute pile of rubbish. Even if there was a "design flaw" in the speed 6 / AJP engines, it would be much cheaper to fix it rather than swap the engine for another.
Anyway, if your concerned TVR provide you with the choice of a Rover V8, a AJP V8 or a Speed 6.
You pays your money....and people do.....
Anyway, if your concerned TVR provide you with the choice of a Rover V8, a AJP V8 or a Speed 6.
You pays your money....and people do.....
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They're just good where they are now, just need to improve these engines a bit and customer care, that's all...
No they are not, they need to improve their quality control and their customer care considerably before someone like me will go anywhere near them. I was in the market for a Chim and may be in the market for a Tuscan in 3 years or so, but only if the quality improves.
Two of my friends were thinking about Tuscan's. I told them to have a look on here. They did, and didn't buy one (one has a Boxster and the other a Z3M, so they are the kind of petrolhead TVR should be selling to).
So, TVR lost a potential £90K+ business. Remember Lancia in the UK if you need an example of how word of mouth destroys a companies ability to sell their product...I for one, want TVR to succeed, but they should be spending money on quality control, not new models...
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