911s....ones to keep and ones to sell...(and buy)
Discussion
Long term 911 fan here (not owned one - yet) just wondering, out of all the many special edition 911s that have come and gone during the last 20 years, which ones will be worth keeping and which ones are in a temporary bubble and are probably worth selling soonish.
For example, the 996.2 GT3 isn't particularly sort after, despite its rarity. A couple are on Autotrader at less than original list price. Makes me wonder if the likes of the 991 GT3 will go the same way?
Also, the 991R. there is one on Autotrader for £340,000. Surely that car wont remain as expensive once Porsche releases another "one off" purists 911?
However, a personal favourite of mine, the 996 GT3 RS, remains valuable and would perhaps seem like one which will remain prized.
In the "buy" section, surely 996s cant go any cheaper? One local to me, £8500.... they really are unloved but I cant help thinking that eventually like the 964s, prices will rise...
What do you reckon?
MDL111 said:
my list
996.1 GT3 CS (the first one)
996 RS (very limited)
997 4.0 (very limited and last manual RS)
991 Speedster or whatever the GT3 convertible version will be called (if you have to get one 991)
the 996 models are still on my need to buy list. the 4.0 is too pricey for me
my 996.2 GT3 is on the market, a top car, super low miles and one of the cheapest cars out there with prob the most money spent on it.996.1 GT3 CS (the first one)
996 RS (very limited)
997 4.0 (very limited and last manual RS)
991 Speedster or whatever the GT3 convertible version will be called (if you have to get one 991)
the 996 models are still on my need to buy list. the 4.0 is too pricey for me
car still looks like new.
shocked that's not sold to be fair as it starts with a 6 and it's had crazy money spent on that car no refresh needed :-)
has to be the best 996 GT3 for sale, temped my self knowing how good the car is. I wonder what a short final drive and shocks would be like on it ;-)
Shows the market is DEAD...…..
Porsche911R said:
MDL111 said:
my list
996.1 GT3 CS (the first one)
996 RS (very limited)
997 4.0 (very limited and last manual RS)
991 Speedster or whatever the GT3 convertible version will be called (if you have to get one 991)
the 996 models are still on my need to buy list. the 4.0 is too pricey for me
my 996.2 GT3 is on the market, a top car, super low miles and one of the cheapest cars out there with prob the most money spent on it.996.1 GT3 CS (the first one)
996 RS (very limited)
997 4.0 (very limited and last manual RS)
991 Speedster or whatever the GT3 convertible version will be called (if you have to get one 991)
the 996 models are still on my need to buy list. the 4.0 is too pricey for me
car still looks like new.
shocked that's not sold to be fair as it starts with a 6 and it's had crazy money spent on that car no refresh needed :-)
has to be the best 996 GT3 for sale, temped my self knowing how good the car is. I wonder what a short final drive and shocks would be like on it ;-)
Shows the market is DEAD...…..
footsoldier said:
996RS
997 4.0 RS
991 R
Pretty much the above are A+ (future) investments - but I think we could possibly see a short term correction on the 4.0RS and R. The 996RS has more to go - I think only the styling (996 not widely loved) has held it back. I'd also add the 997 2RS (only 500 cars - very limited in RHD) into the A+ camp. If I had £3-500k though I would buy 2 or 3 997.2 RSs @ approx £160k each. My feeling is the 997 4.0RS is so limited (especially in the UK/RHD) that it will pull prices of the 997.2 3.8RS up. And for this Saturdays lottery nymbers...997 4.0 RS
991 R
Phooey said:
footsoldier said:
996RS
997 4.0 RS
991 R
Pretty much the above are A+ (future) investments - but I think we could possibly see a short term correction on the 4.0RS and R. The 996RS has more to go - I think only the styling (996 not widely loved) has held it back. I'd also add the 997 2RS (only 500 cars - very limited in RHD) into the A+ camp. If I had £3-500k though I would buy 2 or 3 997.2 RSs @ approx £160k each. My feeling is the 997 4.0RS is so limited (especially in the UK/RHD) that it will pull prices of the 997.2 3.8RS up. And for this Saturdays lottery nymbers...997 4.0 RS
991 R
IMO, it will be a long time, if ever, before the secondary stuff recovers to where it's been, and i'd put the 3.8RS into that camp. (at the top of the secondary pile, but still not right up there with the best).
Would definitely buy one to drive, but would take advantage of any general falls in values to buy the 4.0 or the 996 for long term insurance.
The 991 RS and GT3s are ones to get out of, if it's future values you're worried about, IMO.
My own approach is buy and drive them, as you can't control the market, only what you can do with the car, between the time you buy it and the time you sell it!
The best stuff will always hold value relatively well, whatever you do with them.
footsoldier said:
I think there's probably a short term correction on everything, especially if 'off-prime'.
IMO, it will be a long time, if ever, before the secondary stuff recovers to where it's been, and i'd put the 3.8RS into that camp. (at the top of the secondary pile, but still not right up there with the best).
Would definitely buy one to drive, but would take advantage of any general falls in values to buy the 4.0 or the 996 for long term insurance.
The 991 RS and GT3s are ones to get out of, if it's future values you're worried about, IMO.
My own approach is buy and drive them, as you can't control the market, only what you can do with the car between the time you buy it and the time you sell it! The best stuff will always hold value relatively well, whatever you do with them.
Agreed, and why I sold my 997.2RS. Just hasn't been pulled up anywhere near the 4.0, and don't believe it will be. The biggest factor in all this is, by all means, buy them as an investment....just don't drive them or they will become less appealing to the investor market, and too expensive for the enthusiast. IMO, it will be a long time, if ever, before the secondary stuff recovers to where it's been, and i'd put the 3.8RS into that camp. (at the top of the secondary pile, but still not right up there with the best).
Would definitely buy one to drive, but would take advantage of any general falls in values to buy the 4.0 or the 996 for long term insurance.
The 991 RS and GT3s are ones to get out of, if it's future values you're worried about, IMO.
My own approach is buy and drive them, as you can't control the market, only what you can do with the car between the time you buy it and the time you sell it! The best stuff will always hold value relatively well, whatever you do with them.
Unless you are Warren Buffet of course.
footsoldier said:
I think there's probably a short term correction on everything, especially if 'off-prime'.
IMO, it will be a long time, if ever, before the secondary stuff recovers to where it's been, and i'd put the 3.8RS into that camp. (at the top of the secondary pile, but still not right up there with the best).
Would definitely buy one to drive, but would take advantage of any general falls in values to buy the 4.0 or the 996 for long term insurance.
The 991 RS and GT3s are ones to get out of, if it's future values you're worried about, IMO.
My own approach is buy and drive them, as you can't control the market, only what you can do with the car, between the time you buy it and the time you sell it!
The best stuff will always hold value relatively well, whatever you do with them.
Agree with most of that - especially 991 RSs and GT3s wrt future values. Just too many. I also think they will become expensive to maintain in years ahead - and that will have some impact on values / collect-ability etc.IMO, it will be a long time, if ever, before the secondary stuff recovers to where it's been, and i'd put the 3.8RS into that camp. (at the top of the secondary pile, but still not right up there with the best).
Would definitely buy one to drive, but would take advantage of any general falls in values to buy the 4.0 or the 996 for long term insurance.
The 991 RS and GT3s are ones to get out of, if it's future values you're worried about, IMO.
My own approach is buy and drive them, as you can't control the market, only what you can do with the car, between the time you buy it and the time you sell it!
The best stuff will always hold value relatively well, whatever you do with them.
I still think the 3.8 RS will become very collectable - it's the best all-round RS (IMO). You won't hear a bad word said of the 997 gen2 RS. Porsche didn't build enough of them.
And you're right - buy and drive them. The ships sailed for the foreseeable, and who knows what the future holds, or even what will be the fashion in 10/20/30+ years down the line..
Porsche911R said:
my 996.2 GT3 is on the market, a top car, super low miles and one of the cheapest cars out there with prob the most money spent on it.
car still looks like new.
shocked that's not sold to be fair as it starts with a 6 and it's had crazy money spent on that car no refresh needed :-)
has to be the best 996 GT3 for sale, temped my self knowing how good the car is. I wonder what a short final drive and shocks would be like on it ;-)
Shows the market is DEAD...…..
Which one is that? I don’t see one with ‘super low miles’ that starts with a 6?car still looks like new.
shocked that's not sold to be fair as it starts with a 6 and it's had crazy money spent on that car no refresh needed :-)
has to be the best 996 GT3 for sale, temped my self knowing how good the car is. I wonder what a short final drive and shocks would be like on it ;-)
Shows the market is DEAD...…..
I once had a 996 C4S, bought it when it was about 6 months old. Very much seduced in the showroom with its basalt black exterior and sandy/tan coloured interior, and manual box.
Couldn’t really get on with it though, found it very harsh on the road and heavy - in the end Swmbo used it more than I did.
While I owned it I took a “normal” 996 out on a track day, what a revelation that was. A much nicer car to drive, made me realise I’d bought the “wrong” 911..
So for what it’s worth, IMHO, one to avoid is a 996 C4S.
Couldn’t really get on with it though, found it very harsh on the road and heavy - in the end Swmbo used it more than I did.
While I owned it I took a “normal” 996 out on a track day, what a revelation that was. A much nicer car to drive, made me realise I’d bought the “wrong” 911..
So for what it’s worth, IMHO, one to avoid is a 996 C4S.
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