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healeyneil said:
Real Steel often have used blocks etc for sale
Could also try the following;http://www.randrhotrodimports.co.uk/
http://namcoamerican.com/
http://www.royalkustoms.co.uk/
http://www.valleygasspeedshop.com/
tortop45 said:
If you wan.t to go down the LS route best to buy a hole car.a right of sort of thing its the cheepest way.
Having watched "Fanthomworks" the other evening, the LS engines appear to be quite a wide engine, so it may need some careful checking to see if they would fit in the chassis of a Cobra kit car.I used to know a guy who raced Cobra kit cars, and he bought himself a a larger capacity, more power engine. When it finally arrived, he discovered that the bell-housing was too wide for his car's chassis. Cutting the chassis wasn't an option as far as he was concerned, so he kept the engine, sold the car and bought another version with a wider chassis.
4rephill said:
tortop45 said:
If you wan.t to go down the LS route best to buy a hole car.a right of sort of thing its the cheepest way.
Having watched "Fanthomworks" the other evening, the LS engines appear to be quite a wide engine, so it may need some careful checking to see if they would fit in the chassis of a Cobra kit car.Trouble with running a LS, is you'll have to run all the electronic gubbins as well as car will be heavily emission tested with such a modern engine.
But I suppose it all depends on whether you want a Cobra kit to actually look like a Cobra, or not?
aeropilot said:
No, the LS is a very compact engine, and will likely fit in most if not all current Cobra kits as most of them can accommodate a traditional big-block engine which dwarfs a LS motor.
Trouble with running a LS, is you'll have to run all the electronic gubbins as well as car will be heavily emission tested with such a modern engine.
But I suppose it all depends on whether you want a Cobra kit to actually look like a Cobra, or not?
My error - It was an LT4 engine, and not an LS engine: http://www.timelessmuscle.com/features/feature-car...Trouble with running a LS, is you'll have to run all the electronic gubbins as well as car will be heavily emission tested with such a modern engine.
But I suppose it all depends on whether you want a Cobra kit to actually look like a Cobra, or not?
As Dan short of Fantom Works notes in the interview at the bottom of the page:
TM: "If you had gone with the LS3, as Nick originally wanted, would the build have been as complicated?"
DS: "No, we’ve done dozens of LS-based engine builds, the LS3 would not have required the amount of horrible modification to fit. We realized right away that the LT motors are very different in shape to the LS"
It was the width of the LT4 engine that caused problems, resulting in them having to widen the engine bay, and pretty much fabricate a whole new front end to support the motor.
If you really want a confusing range of options look here ~ http://www.partsworldperformance.com/v8-performanc...
I wouldn't have thought that the 'huffed' engines (like LT4) would be any wider than other engines, unless the dry sump engines are wider at engine mount level - extra height with the 'huffer' on top I'm guessing will be the 'size' issue.
That LSX454 looks interesting - big block capacity in a 'small block' package.
I wouldn't have thought that the 'huffed' engines (like LT4) would be any wider than other engines, unless the dry sump engines are wider at engine mount level - extra height with the 'huffer' on top I'm guessing will be the 'size' issue.
That LSX454 looks interesting - big block capacity in a 'small block' package.
aeropilot said:
Trouble with running a LS, is you'll have to run all the electronic gubbins as well as car will be heavily emission tested with such a modern engine.
But I suppose it all depends on whether you want a Cobra kit to actually look like a Cobra, or not?
Full carb conversion kits for the LS engines are available. But I suppose it all depends on whether you want a Cobra kit to actually look like a Cobra, or not?
Sirob69 said:
I’m going to be building a cobra kit car in the new year and I’m after some help
on where I can get hold of a “proper v8” to rebuild it . I’m also considering an LS3 etc but I want to get my hands dirty what’s everyone’s thoughts?
I suppose things to consider are. What kit are you building, what engines is it designed to take. What gearbox are you thinking of. What rear axle. What sort of power are you wanting and what sort of budget. on where I can get hold of a “proper v8” to rebuild it . I’m also considering an LS3 etc but I want to get my hands dirty what’s everyone’s thoughts?
300bhp/ton said:
aeropilot said:
Trouble with running a LS, is you'll have to run all the electronic gubbins as well as car will be heavily emission tested with such a modern engine.
But I suppose it all depends on whether you want a Cobra kit to actually look like a Cobra, or not?
Full carb conversion kits for the LS engines are available. But I suppose it all depends on whether you want a Cobra kit to actually look like a Cobra, or not?
There are plenty of places that will take your LS1 spaghetti loom and turn it into something digestible that is fully labelled. Ignition, Battery, Alternator etc.
I'm not sure of what emissions pommy cars have to tackle but a traditional small block chev will last forever and help you lose your licence just as fast as an LS1. I was able to wire mine into my commer van with about 3 wires iirc.
I'm not sure of what emissions pommy cars have to tackle but a traditional small block chev will last forever and help you lose your licence just as fast as an LS1. I was able to wire mine into my commer van with about 3 wires iirc.
dmulally said:
I'm not sure of what emissions pommy cars have to tackle but a traditional small block chev will last forever and help you lose your licence just as fast as an LS1. I was able to wire mine into my commer van with about 3 wires iirc.
For home built kit cars, it all depends on the age of the engine block being used.If it newer than 1995, then it has to pass modern emissions testing criteria and cats/fuel injection is mandatory IIRC.
If made prior to 95 then less stringent emissions tests are in order going progressively back to 1975. If the engine was manufactured before 1975 then the only test is visible smoke
So, as you say, pre-75 dated block SBC or SBF, proper carbs and job done
pcn1 said:
Why not get American Ford V8 crate motor?
I know its a replica your building, but to me its keepin' things more in line with the originals.
Its like when I see a '32 hot rod with a chevy engine, it just doesnt seem right to me.
Just a thought.......
Because you have to consider what the definition of "right" is.I know its a replica your building, but to me its keepin' things more in line with the originals.
Its like when I see a '32 hot rod with a chevy engine, it just doesnt seem right to me.
Just a thought.......
The modern Ford modular motor, even in latest Coyote 5.0 litre format is a still a giant, heavy DOHC 32v engine. Completely at odds with the OHV engines found in period 260, 289 and 427 Cobra's.
As for the '32 Fords, well back in the day a 350 SBC or similar is exactly what was being fitted to make them "hot rods". The old Flathead Fords might sound wonderful, but are miles behind in power compared to the Chevy engine.
pcn1 said:
Why not get American Ford V8 crate motor?
I know its a replica your building, but to me its keepin' things more in line with the originals.
Yes, but, it would have to be a EFI equipped crate motor with cats etc, as per my post above.I know its a replica your building, but to me its keepin' things more in line with the originals.
Crate motor will be new block, so will have to comply with modern emissions etc., so it's hardly going to be in line with an original.
pcn1 said:
Its like when I see a '32 hot rod with a chevy engine, it just doesnt seem right to me.
But, that's era historic, as in 1955 when Chevy introduced the SBC, every kid in the USA that could was hunting salvage yards as soon as they could to pull a SBC from a wrecked bel-Air or Corvette to replace the old flathead Ford sitting between the frame rails of their Deuce, as the SBC was the best engine by far available at the time other than a big, heavy 331/354 Chrysler hemi of course.Until Ford brought out their own small block in the early 60's the only OHV Ford lump was the Y-block, and that didn't offer much more than a hot flatty (other than super rare E-code or F-code T-Bird motors) and was just not in the same league as the Chevy.
OP, I usually have LS's of one type or another either complete or dismantled so if ever you'd like to see what's entailed in building one up you're welcome to have a look. You'll also need to consider the ancilliaries you plan to use as well as the ecu type be it factory GM or aftermarket.
dmulally said:
There are plenty of places that will take your LS1 spaghetti loom and turn it into something digestible that is fully labelled. Ignition, Battery, Alternator etc.
I'm not sure of what emissions pommy cars have to tackle but a traditional small block chev will last forever and help you lose your licence just as fast as an LS1. I was able to wire mine into my commer van with about 3 wires iirc.
Please can we see a picture of your Commer van?I'm not sure of what emissions pommy cars have to tackle but a traditional small block chev will last forever and help you lose your licence just as fast as an LS1. I was able to wire mine into my commer van with about 3 wires iirc.
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