Can I ask police if I’ve been PNC checked
Can I ask police if I’ve been PNC checked
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ironv8

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116 posts

117 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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I’m suspicious a recent road rage incident and a brick through my conservatory window 2 days later could be linked. The guy got out of his pick up truck and went bananas over a minor incident, totally shocked me. It 3 miles from home and he definitely didn’t follow me afterwards. Could he have possibly asked a cop mate to get my address from my reg. Otherwise I guess I’m just a victim of mindless vandalism.
Do the police have to tell me if I put in a request?

Bigends

6,159 posts

158 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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Tell Police the circumstances and and you suspect you might have been traced via a Police system. They should make some checks to see if this is the case. They may or may not give you the result.

This could form part of the investigation into the damage

Edited by Bigends on Thursday 4th October 16:51

Thats What She Said

1,180 posts

118 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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The two incidents arent linked. You're just unpopular.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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I doubt they'd tell you but you can make a complaint about the window and tell them the circumstances. They may investigate if you're assertive. They can check who has been using the computer.

jas xjr

11,309 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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It is not as easy to have a mate carry out a PNC.check. I believe it has to be logged

gshughes

1,347 posts

285 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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It could also be someone who has a friend at the DVLA?

Pica-Pica

16,606 posts

114 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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jas xjr said:
It is not as easy to have a mate carry out a PNC.check. I believe it has to be logged
I would certainly expect there to have to be a log-in with password. I would also expect an inquiry to be traceable back to a specific computer terminal.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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jas xjr said:
It is not as easy to have a mate carry out a PNC.check. I believe it has to be logged
Some have been known to 'log in' using anothers details.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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gshughes said:
It could also be someone who has a friend at the DVLA?
Or MID?

Bigends

6,159 posts

158 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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Checks can be traced back to the terminal they were made from and the operator i.d. carrying the check out. I dont know many that would allow someone to log on using their details.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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Maybe he drove past later on and seen where you live?

A police mate wouldn't simply be able to have a flick on the computer and give his mate your details, it is not worth the risk as every search is logged and traceable to the individual.

More likely he drove past later and seen your car.

No mates at the dvla,police...

Wooda80

1,743 posts

105 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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"That guy with the old American car - I know where he lives I do"

J2daG1990

1,217 posts

156 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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ironv8 said:
I’m suspicious a recent road rage incident and a brick through my conservatory window 2 days later could be linked. The guy got out of his pick up truck and went bananas over a minor incident, totally shocked me. It 3 miles from home and he definitely didn’t follow me afterwards. Could he have possibly asked a cop mate to get my address from my reg. Otherwise I guess I’m just a victim of mindless vandalism.
Do the police have to tell me if I put in a request?
If he lives in the area he may have randomly drove past your house and by chance seen your car on the drive.

98elise

32,625 posts

191 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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jas xjr said:
It is not as easy to have a mate carry out a PNC.check. I believe it has to be logged
On one of those 24 hours in police custody programs a bent copper was caught because he used the PNC to check on a victim. Either the copper was monumentally stupid, or there is no easy way to hide your tracks.

It's very easy to track database interactions on must systems with a proper database behind them.

Red 4

10,744 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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98elise said:
On one of those 24 hours in police custody programs a bent copper was caught because he used the PNC to check on a victim. Either the copper was monumentally stupid, or there is no easy way to hide your tracks.

It's very easy to track database interactions on must systems with a proper database behind them.
If It's the same programme I'm thinking of, iirc the officer was attempting to blackmail someone - stupid.

He used the PNC to do some checks on the person - very stupid.

He used his own PNC password and his own collar number when performing said checks - very, very stupid.

Add all that together and you've got someone who is, as you say, monumentally stupid.
I'm surprised he could tie his own shoelaces.


Carnage

889 posts

262 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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Red 4 said:
If It's the same programme I'm thinking of, iirc the officer was attempting to blackmail someone - stupid.

He used the PNC to do some checks on the person - very stupid.

He used his own PNC password and his own collar number when performing said checks - very, very stupid.

Add all that together and you've got someone who is, as you say, monumentally stupid.
I'm surprised he could tie his own shoelaces.
I tutored him as a DC before he transferred forces. He was a really good, switched on copper - he wouldn’t have been on a level 2 team, even in Beds, if he wasn’t. I still can’t believe how stupid he was and why he went bent. For less than a months overtime on a squad ? Insane.

Although it struck me you’d have to be really unlucky to get caught the first time.


For the OP, PNC is very heavily monitored and all checks are recorded. Starting point for misuse is dismissal. I’d be really surprised if anyone was daft enough to do a check, but I was surprised above... Ring it in if you’re genuinely concerned, it’ll either set your mind at rest or if there is something to worry about it’ll get sorted.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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Bigends said:
Checks can be traced back to the terminal they were made from and the operator i.d. carrying the check out. I dont know many that would allow someone to log on using their details.
It's not done like that though. It's not unknown for somebody to misuse another's details. In a similar way to being 'off a case' and looking over a collegues shoulder while they look at the case, with their consent. There's always away to misuse the system but as said the terminal will be identified and the person purportedly logging in.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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Easy enough for an officer to be out on patrol and shout up on the radio for a pnc check on a vehicle and pass the reg. No one would know the officer was not behind the car.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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^ As long as it's local and by the time the officer's asked about his pnc check his memory has faded.

Bigends

6,159 posts

158 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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Boosted LS1 said:
^ As long as it's local and by the time the officer's asked about his pnc check his memory has faded.
All checks are supposed to be recorded by the officer making the enquiry - either a written record made by them , recorded on an incident log or some other Police system. Each check made must be auditable in some way.