repaying course fees
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I'm someone has some experience of this from one side or the other.
I am having a really hard time at work through one thing and another and have been offered a position elsewhere which I am seriously considering taking.
The problem comes because in theory I still have to pay back 50% of some course fees i signed up for when i started a couple of years ago.
The terms are fair and reasonable and I have no argument there, I just wondered how the mechanism to pay it back usually works. I don't have a spare 2k to hand over, do most places accept 100 a month for 2 years or are they really able to go after you for the full amount in one lump?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I am having a really hard time at work through one thing and another and have been offered a position elsewhere which I am seriously considering taking.
The problem comes because in theory I still have to pay back 50% of some course fees i signed up for when i started a couple of years ago.
The terms are fair and reasonable and I have no argument there, I just wondered how the mechanism to pay it back usually works. I don't have a spare 2k to hand over, do most places accept 100 a month for 2 years or are they really able to go after you for the full amount in one lump?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
jamest1988 said:
I'm someone has some experience of this from one side or the other.
I am having a really hard time at work through one thing and another and have been offered a position elsewhere which I am seriously considering taking.
The problem comes because in theory I still have to pay back 50% of some course fees i signed up for when i started a couple of years ago.
The terms are fair and reasonable and I have no argument there, I just wondered how the mechanism to pay it back usually works. I don't have a spare 2k to hand over, do most places accept 100 a month for 2 years or are they really able to go after you for the full amount in one lump?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
What did the original agreement say?I am having a really hard time at work through one thing and another and have been offered a position elsewhere which I am seriously considering taking.
The problem comes because in theory I still have to pay back 50% of some course fees i signed up for when i started a couple of years ago.
The terms are fair and reasonable and I have no argument there, I just wondered how the mechanism to pay it back usually works. I don't have a spare 2k to hand over, do most places accept 100 a month for 2 years or are they really able to go after you for the full amount in one lump?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
In my experience, they'll expect to get it all settled straight away. It's far easier for them to deduct it from your final pay cheque than it is to potentially have to chase you for non-payment if you start missing payments.
Have you tried asking your new employer if they'd be willing to assist to some extent, given that they'll be getting the benefits of you having done the training?
i had this at one employer. they took the lot back in my final salary.
i know i agreed to it when i joined but its still tight of employers to use this cheap practice.
this post has reminded to look out for such clauses in any offers I might get.
years ago your employer just paid. end of. are they really not making enough cash that they have to draw back the money from their employees?
i know i agreed to it when i joined but its still tight of employers to use this cheap practice.
this post has reminded to look out for such clauses in any offers I might get.
years ago your employer just paid. end of. are they really not making enough cash that they have to draw back the money from their employees?
It's fair enough. When I had my business we stipulated that course fees were repaid as a diminishing percentage the longer you stayed with the firm post qualification. I don't see why I should pay for someone's qualifications just for them to bugger off somewhere else as soon as they pass their exams.
But that's a digression. To the OP I'd imagine the Ts&Cs must be somewhere regarding repayment, hopefully you can work something out.
But that's a digression. To the OP I'd imagine the Ts&Cs must be somewhere regarding repayment, hopefully you can work something out.
We have this in place where I work. I was going to pay for a course myself to avoid being stung if I left. However, my boss bent my arm into letting them pay for it. Her reasoning was I'd be more likely to stick around if the company was investing in me.
Spoke to the HR who told me they've never asked anyone to pay course fees back. The only time they might consider is if you get fired for gross misconduct or similar. I'm at a pretty large company 3k plus employees. Might be worth dropping into your HR and having a chat if you can?
Spoke to the HR who told me they've never asked anyone to pay course fees back. The only time they might consider is if you get fired for gross misconduct or similar. I'm at a pretty large company 3k plus employees. Might be worth dropping into your HR and having a chat if you can?
It might be worth asking the new company if they would pay you back out of their training budget to cover the money when you move, after all they are benefiting from it now.
I was very lucky, lost my entire last pay packet when I moved jobs and had to use credit to cover the loss but dropped it into conversation once I had started in a new place and they paid me back.
I was very lucky, lost my entire last pay packet when I moved jobs and had to use credit to cover the loss but dropped it into conversation once I had started in a new place and they paid me back.
ToothbrushMan said:
i had this at one employer. they took the lot back in my final salary.
i know i agreed to it when i joined but its still tight of employers to use this cheap practice.
this post has reminded to look out for such clauses in any offers I might get.
years ago your employer just paid. end of. are they really not making enough cash that they have to draw back the money from their employees?
If the company is providing you with externally recognised training that gives you a qualification and makes you directly more attractive to their competitors, why on earth shouldn't they have a clause of this sort? It shouldn't (and invariably doesn't) last forever, but having it is perfectly fair.i know i agreed to it when i joined but its still tight of employers to use this cheap practice.
this post has reminded to look out for such clauses in any offers I might get.
years ago your employer just paid. end of. are they really not making enough cash that they have to draw back the money from their employees?
If company A invest thousands in training up their people, and company B then just spends a few grand offering higher salaries to the people company A has trained, ultimately company A is going to go out of business, because they won't be able to compete with company B. Remember, it's not just about the course fees, it's also about the salary they're paying you whilst you're doing the courses and gaining experience, during which time you're unlikely to be adding value to Company A.
The other way of looking at this sort of clause is that it's also good protection for the other employees of company A, as it means their employer is more likely to invest heavily in their training, because they know that if one of their colleagues leaves soon after getting qualified, at least their employer can recoup some of the costs.
It's fairly standard practice IME I have had this several times in the past. My current employer drops you a docusign when you register for a training course that basically says for the first 6 months after you complete the course you have to repay some if you leave on a diminishing scale. Don't really have an issue with it, most if not all courses start in the thousands, it is fairly reasonable for them to reap the return on their investment in you!
It’s a leadership proverb: CFO says ‘what happens if we train people and then they leave? CEO says ‘what happens if we don’t and they stay?’
It means, a great employer invests in its staff, accepting that some will leave. It’s worth the cost because you attract great staff knowing you’ll enjoy their impact for a period of time. By investing in training, you will attract similarly great staff to replace them.
If you don’t invest in staff, great staff won’t join you and your existing staff may remain mediocre at best.
It means, a great employer invests in its staff, accepting that some will leave. It’s worth the cost because you attract great staff knowing you’ll enjoy their impact for a period of time. By investing in training, you will attract similarly great staff to replace them.
If you don’t invest in staff, great staff won’t join you and your existing staff may remain mediocre at best.
rog007 said:
It’s a leadership proverb: CFO says ‘what happens if we train people and then they leave? CEO says ‘what happens if we don’t and they stay?’
It means, a great employer invests in its staff, accepting that some will leave. It’s worth the cost because you attract great staff knowing you’ll enjoy their impact for a period of time. By investing in training, you will attract similarly great staff to replace them.
If you don’t invest in staff, great staff won’t join you and your existing staff may remain mediocre at best.
What is to stop a great employer from investing in their people, whilst still giving themselves an insurance policy?It means, a great employer invests in its staff, accepting that some will leave. It’s worth the cost because you attract great staff knowing you’ll enjoy their impact for a period of time. By investing in training, you will attract similarly great staff to replace them.
If you don’t invest in staff, great staff won’t join you and your existing staff may remain mediocre at best.
I'm assuming we're talking about proper external training running into the thousands with recognised qualifications here, not standard ongoing training.
rog007 said:
It’s a leadership proverb: CFO says ‘what happens if we train people and then they leave? CEO says ‘what happens if we don’t and they stay?’
It means, a great employer invests in its staff, accepting that some will leave. It’s worth the cost because you attract great staff knowing you’ll enjoy their impact for a period of time. By investing in training, you will attract similarly great staff to replace them.
If you don’t invest in staff, great staff won’t join you and your existing staff may remain mediocre at best.
Not every company has to follow management speak and have inspirational posters on the wall. My company was a small company with a handful of employees. Professional qualifications weren’t necessary, staff could do the job perfectly well with in house training. Some might have wished to go further and if we felt it worthwhile we would fund that training. However, that funding came with conditions - we simply couldn’t afford to spend thousands on sending employees off to get their degrees if they were intending to leave as soon as they got them, so the longer they stayed the less the6 had to repay. It means, a great employer invests in its staff, accepting that some will leave. It’s worth the cost because you attract great staff knowing you’ll enjoy their impact for a period of time. By investing in training, you will attract similarly great staff to replace them.
If you don’t invest in staff, great staff won’t join you and your existing staff may remain mediocre at best.
I was never interested in ‘great staff’ joining, I wanted enthusiastic staff willing to learn. We managed that way happily for twenty years so it worked fine for my small company.
Have you spoke to them?
I've left the same company twice whilst in the middle of a 2 year training agreement. I didn't have to pay back anything as it was very amicable and they said they'd got their moneys worth.
Probably worth checking the training agreement you signed too. The ones I signed for the above job were crap. The training agreement was in the name of the joint venture, but I wasn't employed by the JV, I was employed by one of the parent company, and the training was paid for by the other company for some reason.
I've left the same company twice whilst in the middle of a 2 year training agreement. I didn't have to pay back anything as it was very amicable and they said they'd got their moneys worth.
Probably worth checking the training agreement you signed too. The ones I signed for the above job were crap. The training agreement was in the name of the joint venture, but I wasn't employed by the JV, I was employed by one of the parent company, and the training was paid for by the other company for some reason.
thanks for all the responses, much appreciated!
just to be clear - I don't mind having to repay the fees, they paid for it, I signed the contract knowing the conditions. Its not something I'm trying to get out of, just curious how it would work repaying it as it wasn't detailed in the contract (I think I've read that this means they cant just take it out of my last paycheck - to do this they have to have it agreed in writing?).
I've spoken to my new place, they don't repay these types of fees as a policy so cant help out unfortunately.
I haven't brought it up with my current employer for two reasons really, I haven't handed in my notice yet, and I don't really want to draw attention to it. I signed it years ago and the HR set up has changed completely since then, I'm half hoping they wont know where a copy of the contract is even if they know I've signed it. As much as I accept that I've signed it, I'd rather not pay it if I can!
I've got a contingency plan in place now thankfully, I'm very fortunate that my parents have said they will lend me the cash if it comes to it so happy days!
just to be clear - I don't mind having to repay the fees, they paid for it, I signed the contract knowing the conditions. Its not something I'm trying to get out of, just curious how it would work repaying it as it wasn't detailed in the contract (I think I've read that this means they cant just take it out of my last paycheck - to do this they have to have it agreed in writing?).
I've spoken to my new place, they don't repay these types of fees as a policy so cant help out unfortunately.
I haven't brought it up with my current employer for two reasons really, I haven't handed in my notice yet, and I don't really want to draw attention to it. I signed it years ago and the HR set up has changed completely since then, I'm half hoping they wont know where a copy of the contract is even if they know I've signed it. As much as I accept that I've signed it, I'd rather not pay it if I can!
I've got a contingency plan in place now thankfully, I'm very fortunate that my parents have said they will lend me the cash if it comes to it so happy days!
I imagine every employer’s different but when I left my last place (fairly big company t/o c.£2bn for context) I had to pay back 75% of a year’s part time degree course as was only a few months after I’d finished the first year. Thought it was fair enough tbh as the qualification will benefit my career and probably helped in securing the job in the company I work for now (who I negotiated would pay for the following years of the course).
The company I left allowed me to pay back in instalments over the course of a few months (4 months iirc). Was dealt with by HR and had to sign a credit agreement with them.
The company I left allowed me to pay back in instalments over the course of a few months (4 months iirc). Was dealt with by HR and had to sign a credit agreement with them.
I had a similar worry when leaving my old job - I read into it quite a bit, read my contract and all company policies.
In my case I found that if you hadn't outright signed on the dotted line before taking a course you couldn't be billed. It turned out my manager didn't believe in this so didn't make his staff do this (one of the few decent things he did).
In my case I found that if you hadn't outright signed on the dotted line before taking a course you couldn't be billed. It turned out my manager didn't believe in this so didn't make his staff do this (one of the few decent things he did).
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