missed 2 court dates - failure to identify driver
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Hi I received a Notice of Enforcement of Driver Record back in April 18 for a speeding offence in July 2017, for failing to identify the driver. I spoke to a solicitor and he got me to post a stat dec to preston magistrates explaining this was the first I'd heard of any offence. A few days later I got a Pink Debt recovery letter from HMCTS for £811.00 for unpaid court fines. I spoke to Preston Magistrates and they said they will notify HMCTS to put the Debt Recovery on hold until my stat dec was dealt with. I was told I had submitted the stat dec after the court hearing took place (in march 18). I explained I was not aware of any hearing. I was told to wait for a reply by phone. I received no such phone call. In September I returned from my holiday to find another Notice of Enforcement.. letter this time with a £1346.00 fine. I called Preston Magistrates and they forwarded me to the Blackburn office. I was told that I had missed a court hearing in June and another in September, I explained I was not aware of any such hearings and to the best of my knowledge had not received any court attendance letters. I was given an appointment by phone for this week and told I must attend this one. When I attended I was told by the courts that because I ad already submitted a Stat Dec in April, and a hearing was arranged for June, which I missed, and then another in September which I also missed, there was nothing legally they could do. I was told if I contested the sentencing ( 6 points and £1346.00 fine) I should appeal to the Crown Court in Preston. In the meantime I received a letter from Marston solicitors demanding payment for £811.00 plus fees. I also received another pink letter from HMCTS for £1346.00. I called HMCTS and explained that I was appealing the Magistrates decision with the Crown court. They said they would hold the £1346.00 fine but that I would need to pay the £811.00 because that was for another offence. I explained both fines were for the same offence, however they told me to take the matter up with Preston Magistrates. I called Magistrates and they explained that it looks like there was a duplication of the case and she would speak to HMCTS to hold both fines until the matter was resolved. The lady I spoke to queried why I wasn't given the option to make a stat dec when I attended this week and why, if I identified myself as the driver the courts didn't simply accept the plea there and then. I told her my version of events which she found baffling, she saud she would speak to the legal advisor and that I may not need to appeal to the crown court and see if I could plead guilty to the speeding offence seeing as though I'm not contesting it.
I was wondering legally where I stand on this whole matter, I explained in court that I was not disputing the speeding offence, and that I simply had not known of the 2 previous hearings, one in June, and the other in September. I cannot recall receiving any court letters, I do have kids at home and they do sometimes play with the post. But to the best of my knowledge I have not come across any hearing dates. But they said the matter was out of their hands at this stage and I would need to appeal to the crown court. Any advice would be appreciated. The original offence was driving 47 in a 40 average zone.
I was wondering legally where I stand on this whole matter, I explained in court that I was not disputing the speeding offence, and that I simply had not known of the 2 previous hearings, one in June, and the other in September. I cannot recall receiving any court letters, I do have kids at home and they do sometimes play with the post. But to the best of my knowledge I have not come across any hearing dates. But they said the matter was out of their hands at this stage and I would need to appeal to the crown court. Any advice would be appreciated. The original offence was driving 47 in a 40 average zone.
Gusyah said:
Hi I received a Notice of Enforcement of Driver Record back in April 18 for a speeding offence in July 2017, for failing to identify the driver. I spoke to a solicitor and he got me to post a stat dec to Preston magistrates explaining this was the first I'd heard of any offence.
A few days later I got a Pink Debt recovery letter from HMCTS for £811.00 for unpaid court fines. I spoke to Preston Magistrates and they said they will notify HMCTS to put the Debt Recovery on hold until my stat dec was dealt with. I was told I had submitted the stat dec after the court hearing took place (in march 18).
I explained I was not aware of any hearing. I was told to wait for a reply by phone. I received no such phone call.
In September I returned from my holiday to find another Notice of Enforcement.. letter this time with a £1346.00 fine. I called Preston Magistrates and they forwarded me to the Blackburn office. I was told that I had missed a court hearing in June and another in September, I explained I was not aware of any such hearings and to the best of my knowledge had not received any court attendance letters.
I was given an appointment by phone for this week and told I must attend this one. When I attended I was told by the courts that because I ad already submitted a Stat Dec in April, and a hearing was arranged for June, which I missed, and then another in September which I also missed, there was nothing legally they could do.
I was told if I contested the sentencing ( 6 points and £1346.00 fine) I should appeal to the Crown Court in Preston. In the meantime I received a letter from Marston solicitors demanding payment for £811.00 plus fees. I also received another pink letter from HMCTS for £1346.00. I called HMCTS and explained that I was appealing the Magistrates decision with the Crown court. They said they would hold the £1346.00 fine but that I would need to pay the £811.00 because that was for another offence.
I explained both fines were for the same offence, however they told me to take the matter up with Preston Magistrates. I called Magistrates and they explained that it looks like there was a duplication of the case and she would speak to HMCTS to hold both fines until the matter was resolved. The lady I spoke to queried why I wasn't given the option to make a stat dec when I attended this week and why, if I identified myself as the driver the courts didn't simply accept the plea there and then. I told her my version of events which she found baffling, she said she would speak to the legal advisor and that I may not need to appeal to the crown court and see if I could plead guilty to the speeding offence seeing as though I'm not contesting it.
I was wondering legally where I stand on this whole matter, I explained in court that I was not disputing the speeding offence, and that I simply had not known of the 2 previous hearings, one in June, and the other in September. I cannot recall receiving any court letters, I do have kids at home and they do sometimes play with the post. But to the best of my knowledge I have not come across any hearing dates. But they said the matter was out of their hands at this stage and I would need to appeal to the crown court. Any advice would be appreciated. The original offence was driving 47 in a 40 average zone.
You seem to have had extraordinarily bad luck with the post!A few days later I got a Pink Debt recovery letter from HMCTS for £811.00 for unpaid court fines. I spoke to Preston Magistrates and they said they will notify HMCTS to put the Debt Recovery on hold until my stat dec was dealt with. I was told I had submitted the stat dec after the court hearing took place (in march 18).
I explained I was not aware of any hearing. I was told to wait for a reply by phone. I received no such phone call.
In September I returned from my holiday to find another Notice of Enforcement.. letter this time with a £1346.00 fine. I called Preston Magistrates and they forwarded me to the Blackburn office. I was told that I had missed a court hearing in June and another in September, I explained I was not aware of any such hearings and to the best of my knowledge had not received any court attendance letters.
I was given an appointment by phone for this week and told I must attend this one. When I attended I was told by the courts that because I ad already submitted a Stat Dec in April, and a hearing was arranged for June, which I missed, and then another in September which I also missed, there was nothing legally they could do.
I was told if I contested the sentencing ( 6 points and £1346.00 fine) I should appeal to the Crown Court in Preston. In the meantime I received a letter from Marston solicitors demanding payment for £811.00 plus fees. I also received another pink letter from HMCTS for £1346.00. I called HMCTS and explained that I was appealing the Magistrates decision with the Crown court. They said they would hold the £1346.00 fine but that I would need to pay the £811.00 because that was for another offence.
I explained both fines were for the same offence, however they told me to take the matter up with Preston Magistrates. I called Magistrates and they explained that it looks like there was a duplication of the case and she would speak to HMCTS to hold both fines until the matter was resolved. The lady I spoke to queried why I wasn't given the option to make a stat dec when I attended this week and why, if I identified myself as the driver the courts didn't simply accept the plea there and then. I told her my version of events which she found baffling, she said she would speak to the legal advisor and that I may not need to appeal to the crown court and see if I could plead guilty to the speeding offence seeing as though I'm not contesting it.
I was wondering legally where I stand on this whole matter, I explained in court that I was not disputing the speeding offence, and that I simply had not known of the 2 previous hearings, one in June, and the other in September. I cannot recall receiving any court letters, I do have kids at home and they do sometimes play with the post. But to the best of my knowledge I have not come across any hearing dates. But they said the matter was out of their hands at this stage and I would need to appeal to the crown court. Any advice would be appreciated. The original offence was driving 47 in a 40 average zone.
Last week we in Crown Court assisting our Hungarian employee appeal a nip. He had to prove to the court that he had not received the nip and the reminder. Its almost impossible as how can you prove you haven't received something and he lost. Prior to the appeal he had also been carted away by the police because he hadn't paid the original fine from the magistrates.
Strange because he can't read English and always brings in any post that needs filling in.
Strange because he can't read English and always brings in any post that needs filling in.
hunton69 said:
He had to prove to the court that he had not received the nip and the reminder. Its almost impossible as how can you prove you haven't received something and he lost.
Things must have changed, or I was extremely lucky, as I went to mag's in my early 20's for some silly things, and they chucked it out on the day very quickly as I said I hadn't received the NIP, and (what I assume was a solicitor for the) police had no way of proving that they had indeed sent, or I had received, said notice.I mean, I was lucky anyway (not for the first time), but I assume it is inconsistency or things have changed?
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