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I thought it was an interesting, bold move - DTM's a bruising battleground to play in, and a different discipline to WEC racing, so fair play to AM for taking the plunge. Sadly, DTM's not been quite as diverse as it was in the early 90's, when you had truly unhinged offerings from Alfa & Merc, perhaps the Vantage addition can help it. Like most touring car racing, it's a great spectacle and has some hard, entertaining racing.
Perhaps the lack of response might be because the DTM rounds are mostly held in Germany.
With WEC, Prodrive handle official Aston Martin Racing activities.
Is the DTM announcement related to an existing DTM independent team?
The little DTM racing which I have watched, gives the impression of a convoy of cars. Not too exciting. The lap times of each car are almost identical.
Brands Hatch qualifying 2018. Almost every car 1min 18 secs. Indeed, very fast for the full circuit.
For me, DTM had great appeal in the early 90s, when the cars were real modified street cars (like BMW E30 M3's and the likes).
That appeal got lost in the last decades, where DTM cars were pure prototype-racecars with a look-alike plastic cover on top, nothing in common with street cars. As I remember, they even uses the the same engines for all cars.
That appeal got lost in the last decades, where DTM cars were pure prototype-racecars with a look-alike plastic cover on top, nothing in common with street cars. As I remember, they even uses the the same engines for all cars.
TR-Spider said:
For me, DTM had great appeal in the early 90s, when the cars were real modified street cars (like BMW E30 M3's and the likes).
That appeal got lost in the last decades, where DTM cars were pure prototype-racecars with a look-alike plastic cover on top, nothing in common with street cars. As I remember, they even uses the the same engines for all cars.
That appeal got lost in the last decades, where DTM cars were pure prototype-racecars with a look-alike plastic cover on top, nothing in common with street cars. As I remember, they even uses the the same engines for all cars.
A flavour of those days.
Let me tell you: the current DTM is the best we ever had!
In early times (80s and 90s) there was always one road car which was advantageous - and gained the trophy.
Sometimes it was the BMW M3, then the Mercedes 16V, then the four wheel driven Alfa 155.
Today the playing field is leveled as much as possible, certainly much, much better than in F1. Also much better than in WEC.
The result is that each participating brand will win races.
The races are in Central Europe https://www.dtm.com/en/calendar-2019
Different from other efforts this time Aston Martin seized the opportunity at the right time (IMHO), since DTM is somewhat a silhouette car competition and they have the opportunity to continue with the outgoing champion´s car, just using an Aston Martin silhouette instead of an AMG-C-class silhouette.
https://www.dtm.com/en/news/r-motorsport-join-dtm-...
https://www.dtm.com/en/event-guide/2018-hockenheim...
If you look at Qualifying 1: All cars (yes, all cars) within 0.7 sec. https://www.dtm.com/en/results-2018#tab2018-10-14-...
In F1 you have three cars within 0.7 sec, but not the whole field.
In early times (80s and 90s) there was always one road car which was advantageous - and gained the trophy.
Sometimes it was the BMW M3, then the Mercedes 16V, then the four wheel driven Alfa 155.
Today the playing field is leveled as much as possible, certainly much, much better than in F1. Also much better than in WEC.
The result is that each participating brand will win races.
The races are in Central Europe https://www.dtm.com/en/calendar-2019
Different from other efforts this time Aston Martin seized the opportunity at the right time (IMHO), since DTM is somewhat a silhouette car competition and they have the opportunity to continue with the outgoing champion´s car, just using an Aston Martin silhouette instead of an AMG-C-class silhouette.
https://www.dtm.com/en/news/r-motorsport-join-dtm-...
https://www.dtm.com/en/event-guide/2018-hockenheim...
If you look at Qualifying 1: All cars (yes, all cars) within 0.7 sec. https://www.dtm.com/en/results-2018#tab2018-10-14-...
In F1 you have three cars within 0.7 sec, but not the whole field.
Nbgring said:
Let me tell you: the current DTM is the best we ever had! .....
If you look at Qualifying 1: All cars (yes, all cars) within 0.7 sec.
If you look at Qualifying 1: All cars (yes, all cars) within 0.7 sec.
Exactly the reason for the processions, Theo.
Have you watched the annual Goodwood Revival?
Very different, but excellent motor racing entertainment, and constant overtaking.
looks like silhouettes to start with
https://www.r-motorsport.com/start.html
one of the oddest websites as hard to read at first!
DTM a bit down th epecking order for me. Maybe getting spread too far/too thinly as WEC and GT series good but a bit weak in Blancpain last year, so more cars in that would be good - but think R Motorsport going into GT3 with AML as well which is good.
https://www.r-motorsport.com/start.html
one of the oddest websites as hard to read at first!
DTM a bit down th epecking order for me. Maybe getting spread too far/too thinly as WEC and GT series good but a bit weak in Blancpain last year, so more cars in that would be good - but think R Motorsport going into GT3 with AML as well which is good.
RL17 said:
looks like silhouettes to start with
While it's always nice to see something 'Aston Shaped' racing, that's really all it is if underneath it's a generic chassis and 2.0l turbo engine.https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-aston/aston-ma...
raceboy said:
While it's always nice to see something 'Aston Shaped' racing, that's really all it is if underneath it's a generic chassis and 2.0l turbo engine.
That was my point, there's a huge difference between an Aston Martin racing and "something 'Aston Shaped' racing" ...(as exiting as it may be for a driver to compete in a field of equal cars or for a race team to optimize such a car to the n-th degree).
Looks very nice https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/ax88dj/...
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