Is it a bird? is it a plane??
Is it a bird? is it a plane??
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Kccv23highliftcam

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1,783 posts

99 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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No it's....





Kamov design Burea let something slip...












Ref:- https://defence-blog.com/news/russia-accidentally-...


It'll never fly etc,etc....

Eric Mc

124,944 posts

289 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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Reminds me a bit of this -



dr_gn

16,775 posts

208 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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How did anyone come to the conclusion it was “accidentally leaked’ from that?

It looks like any one of hundreds or thousands of other funky looking proposed aircraft which may or may not see further development.

FourWheelDrift

91,932 posts

308 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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Or they have been watch Arnie's other film The 6th Day - https://youtu.be/Xyu8vcFjzzQ?t=22 for some inspiration.

mebe

292 posts

167 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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Looks like they were set the design challenge of "What happens if you combine the worst attributes of a helicopter and and fixed wing aircraft". I have no idea what you would use such a thing for - it cant fly fast enough with that rotor assembly to justify the canards and delta wing, on the other hand if it was supposed to be low and slow why carry that wing around?

It has enough rotor to not require wings and enough wings to not require a rotor - it makes zero sense to me. Perhaps an entry into the "worst vertical takeoff jet fighter competition?"

dr_gn

16,775 posts

208 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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mebe said:
Looks like they were set the design challenge of "What happens if you combine the worst attributes of a helicopter and and fixed wing aircraft". I have no idea what you would use such a thing for - it cant fly fast enough with that rotor assembly to justify the canards and delta wing, on the other hand if it was supposed to be low and slow why carry that wing around?

It has enough rotor to not require wings and enough wings to not require a rotor - it makes zero sense to me. Perhaps an entry into the "worst vertical takeoff jet fighter competition?"
The rotors won’t limit the speed as much as in a single rotor helicopter. They’re a) contra-rotating, b) will almost certainly use disk unloading at higher speeds (when lift from the wings takes over), and c) they will be fairly rigid, so won’t flex too much under manoeuvring loads.

It might have enough wing not to need rotors, but not if you want VTOL, which is the point of it.

I’d be more concerned about the wings and fuselage shadowing a significant proportion of the rotor disc.

It might be the future, but it does look like the work of a cheap toy manufacturer.

Tony1963

5,808 posts

186 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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What stands out to me straight off is that it appears to have the wing shape of a fast jet with the frontal aero of a bus. Not a workable combo, not designed by aircraft designers.

Rubymurray

156 posts

155 months

Sunday 28th October 2018
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Reminds me of the bad dude’s plane from MASK

Mave

8,216 posts

239 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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dr_gn said:
I’d be more concerned about the wings and fuselage shadowing a significant proportion of the rotor disc.
That's what struck me about it - I can't imagine the rotor flow does the wing aerodynamics / stability much good :-o

Wobbegong

15,078 posts

193 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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mebe said:
Looks like they were set the design challenge of "What happens if you combine the worst attributes of a helicopter and and fixed wing aircraft".
A gyrocoptor?

dr_gn

16,775 posts

208 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Wobbegong said:
mebe said:
Looks like they were set the design challenge of "What happens if you combine the worst attributes of a helicopter and and fixed wing aircraft".
A gyrocoptor?
More gyrodyne or compound gyroplane might be more appropriate, but it could be argued they combine the best attributes of both, not the worst. In this case it looks like it doesn’t use autorotation, so it’s not really any of the above. I think this would be classified as a compound helicopter.

kurt535

3,560 posts

141 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Reminds me a bit of this -

Didn't the airforce make the army bin this cos it was going to be too quick or something??

Tony1963

5,808 posts

186 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Lol. Too quick? How?

Eric Mc

124,944 posts

289 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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I don't think so. It was a fairly radical design for its time and there were lots of technical issues that would have been expensive to fix. A less radical solution was the adaptation of an existing design into a dedicated gunship - which was what was done in the end - the Bell AH-1 Huey Cobra.

Narcisus

8,908 posts

304 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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It’s a Firefox with rotors .....

IanH755

2,642 posts

144 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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That main rotor setup looks very familiar wink

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9198/sikorsky...


kurt535

3,560 posts

141 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Eric Mc said:
I don't think so. It was a fairly radical design for its time and there were lots of technical issues that would have been expensive to fix. A less radical solution was the adaptation of an existing design into a dedicated gunship - which was what was done in the end - the Bell AH-1 Huey Cobra.
No, you have jogged my memory; the airforce definately got arsey due to how fast it went. Ill see if I can find more info on the argument

Eric Mc

124,944 posts

289 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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kurt535 said:
No, you have jogged my memory; the airforce definately got arsey due to how fast it went. Ill see if I can find more info on the argument
How fast did it go?

Tony1963

5,808 posts

186 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Eric Mc said:
How fast did it go?
Google! Wikipedia! Lol.

Not that quick really. About as fast as a slow fixed wing aircraft.


Eric Mc

124,944 posts

289 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Tony1963 said:
Eric Mc said:
How fast did it go?
Google! Wikipedia! Lol.

Not that quick really. About as fast as a slow fixed wing aircraft.
I'd prefer people who make the assertion to back it up rather than hunt for data myself.