Looking Forward At Current GT Cars In 10 Years
Discussion
So we sort of know where the 997 GT cars are as they are now around 10 years old.
Where do we see the current latter and last model .2 991 GT cars in 10 years time with all that is going on in the World of electric cars and emissions.
Will the .2 4.0 Carrera cup race engine be a legend by then?
Also by 2028 the 997 cars will be 20 years old,will the 997 when the 991’s are 10 years old be seen as the more iconic car or just older cars that don’t perform as well as the then to be classic 10 year 991 GT’s 3/Tour/RS/2RS
Crystal balls and all that but it’s potentially more interesting than the short term view!
Where do we see the current latter and last model .2 991 GT cars in 10 years time with all that is going on in the World of electric cars and emissions.
Will the .2 4.0 Carrera cup race engine be a legend by then?
Also by 2028 the 997 cars will be 20 years old,will the 997 when the 991’s are 10 years old be seen as the more iconic car or just older cars that don’t perform as well as the then to be classic 10 year 991 GT’s 3/Tour/RS/2RS
Crystal balls and all that but it’s potentially more interesting than the short term view!
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 30th October 14:59
I suspect any purely petrol car will start to be come a very niche product as time goes on. Eventually they may be banned from the roads and only used on track days? It's a long way off though IMHO, and probably not in the lifetime of a lot of people on here.
I think there will be a gradual decline in their popularity, with only the really outstanding cars maintaining high values as they become collectibles.
I think there will be a gradual decline in their popularity, with only the really outstanding cars maintaining high values as they become collectibles.
Twinfan said:
I suspect any purely petrol car will start to be come a very niche product as time goes on. Eventually they may be banned from the roads and only used on track days? It's a long way off though IMHO, and probably not in the lifetime of a lot of people on here.
I think there will be a gradual decline in their popularity, with only the really outstanding cars maintaining high values as they become collectibles.
2040 I believe for fossil fuel cars end of production, although I’m sure this will become sooner as manufacturers are already moving this way! Then these cars will have a minimum 10 year life span so that’s 2050 although they could bin higher emission vehicles in phases earlier!I think there will be a gradual decline in their popularity, with only the really outstanding cars maintaining high values as they become collectibles.
I’d be 88 by then if I’m lucky so hey ho
hunter 66 said:
Agree sadly in 10 years time .... there will be very few or no ICE cars to buy ..... maybe track days only , So I enjoy today and not bothered about in 10 years
The World will have still only scratched the surface of electric versus ICE vehicle numbers by then and electric are not affordable for the average family,can’t see them banning ICE cars that soon! Cheapest electric cars circa £30K Cheapesr ICE cars £10KCurrent legislation states that manufactuers must produce parts for 10 years after the last production date.
I unfortunately think in 10 years, they won't allow me to drive my FF into a city anymore. I suspect in 25 we will be towing our track cars to very select and expensive track days with our Porsche Taycan or some such car. Probably no more cars allowed with emissions higher than a low amount on the road or taxed punitively
MDL111 said:
I unfortunately think in 10 years, they won't allow me to drive my FF into a city anymore. I suspect in 25 we will be towing our track cars to very select and expensive track days with our Porsche Taycan or some such car. Probably no more cars allowed with emissions higher than a low amount on the road or taxed punitively
That is highly unlikely as I would think you’re FF is already too noisy for most British race circuits,noise limits will only reduce so the chance of putting your FF on track in 10 years will almost certainly be a 
Juno said:
MDL111 said:
I unfortunately think in 10 years, they won't allow me to drive my FF into a city anymore. I suspect in 25 we will be towing our track cars to very select and expensive track days with our Porsche Taycan or some such car. Probably no more cars allowed with emissions higher than a low amount on the road or taxed punitively
That is highly unlikely as I would think you’re FF is already too noisy for most British race circuits,noise limits will only reduce so the chance of putting your FF on track in 10 years will almost certainly be a MDL111 said:
Juno said:
MDL111 said:
I unfortunately think in 10 years, they won't allow me to drive my FF into a city anymore. I suspect in 25 we will be towing our track cars to very select and expensive track days with our Porsche Taycan or some such car. Probably no more cars allowed with emissions higher than a low amount on the road or taxed punitively
That is highly unlikely as I would think you’re FF is already too noisy for most British race circuits,noise limits will only reduce so the chance of putting your FF on track in 10 years will almost certainly be a 
but even Spa has been pulled right down and was almost closed at one point due to complaints 
The future is s
t and is NOT looking bright 
MDL111 said:
I unfortunately think in 10 years, they won't allow me to drive my FF into a city anymore. I suspect in 25 we will be towing our track cars to very select and expensive track days with our Porsche Taycan or some such car. Probably no more cars allowed with emissions higher than a low amount on the road or taxed punitively
One might not be able to buy a brand new 8+ k rpm NA V12 any longer but to drive an existing older one....well, you can still ride a horse today....or drive a model T if you wanted something a bit more modern.. I don't really see the pessimism wrt to driving older cars in years to come. Juno said:
So we sort of know where the 997 GT cars are as they are now around 10 years old.
Where do we see the current latter and last model .2 991 GT cars in 10 years time with all that is going on in the World of electric cars and emissions.
Will the .2 4.0 Carrera cup race engine be a legend by then?
Also by 2028 the 997 cars will be 20 years old,will the 997 when the 991’s are 10 years old be seen as the more iconic car or just older cars that don’t perform as well as the then to be classic 10 year 991 GT’s 3/Tour/RS/2RS
Crystal balls and all that but it’s potentially more interesting than the short term view!
My understanding of the nuances of high tech engines is close to zero but I was hatting to a bloke whose company builds 911 engines....he said people don't realise how special the 4.0 enging in the 991.2 and was confident that over time people would come to appreciate it. Combine that with the issues with the 991.1 engine and you have to assume they will be looked on quite differently. I've not driven a 991.1 but most people who have rave about the newer engine and certainly the reviewers who I think most PH'ers read/follow all do. Where do we see the current latter and last model .2 991 GT cars in 10 years time with all that is going on in the World of electric cars and emissions.
Will the .2 4.0 Carrera cup race engine be a legend by then?
Also by 2028 the 997 cars will be 20 years old,will the 997 when the 991’s are 10 years old be seen as the more iconic car or just older cars that don’t perform as well as the then to be classic 10 year 991 GT’s 3/Tour/RS/2RS
Crystal balls and all that but it’s potentially more interesting than the short term view!
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 30th October 14:59
The review I'd love to see by someone like Henry Catchpole is 991.2 GT3/997.2 GT3 RS/991.1 GT3 RS. Three cars at similarish price points. I think the 997 is the one that will become even more sort after over time personally.
I also think PDK transmissions are the thing that dates a car quickest as there seems to be constant evolution.
Since we don't have a time machine, any sensible answer will be a theory, backed up by very little evidence of what's gone on before.
If you look back to older predictions as to what the future would hold, you soon realise that we are very bad at predicting the future. Laughably so.
I can remember pictures of jet cars, fission energy, empty glorious looking amazing roads spanning over uncongested towns full of happy people and trees.
(sort of like current car adverts actually)
Typically, small things we didn't think of turn into massive changes and alter the direction of slow change rather dramatically.
We may all think about the influence of big petrochemical businesses vs. tree hugging yoghurt knitting hippies vs. governments vs. EU legislation etc.
But all that could easily fall into a pothole of irrelevance if we have a couple of very hot summers and all the tarmac melts.
Personally I do think we are in the last decade of unrestricted motoring. So I will happily drive the wheel nuts off my 997 and continue to pay higher and higher costs for the privilege of having fun.
If you look back to older predictions as to what the future would hold, you soon realise that we are very bad at predicting the future. Laughably so.
I can remember pictures of jet cars, fission energy, empty glorious looking amazing roads spanning over uncongested towns full of happy people and trees.
(sort of like current car adverts actually)
Typically, small things we didn't think of turn into massive changes and alter the direction of slow change rather dramatically.
We may all think about the influence of big petrochemical businesses vs. tree hugging yoghurt knitting hippies vs. governments vs. EU legislation etc.
But all that could easily fall into a pothole of irrelevance if we have a couple of very hot summers and all the tarmac melts.
Personally I do think we are in the last decade of unrestricted motoring. So I will happily drive the wheel nuts off my 997 and continue to pay higher and higher costs for the privilege of having fun.
isaldiri said:
MDL111 said:
I unfortunately think in 10 years, they won't allow me to drive my FF into a city anymore. I suspect in 25 we will be towing our track cars to very select and expensive track days with our Porsche Taycan or some such car. Probably no more cars allowed with emissions higher than a low amount on the road or taxed punitively
One might not be able to buy a brand new 8+ k rpm NA V12 any longer but to drive an existing older one....well, you can still ride a horse today....or drive a model T if you wanted something a bit more modern.. I don't really see the pessimism wrt to driving older cars in years to come. Twinfan said:
I think there will be a gradual decline in their popularity, with only the really outstanding cars maintaining high values as they become collectibles.
Collectible but not worth a lot if it can't be used without great difficulty and inconvenience. Horse-drawn carriages haven't been rocketing in value - anyone here lusting after one?Electric cars will be scrapped. Not enough electric to go round.
Autonomous cars will be scrapped. Too many go out of control and kill.
Petrol cars will lose value and be scrapped. No petrol.
Legs, horses, and bicycles will become usual form of transport.
Inns will become popular again for stop-overs and no drink driving laws.
Autonomous cars will be scrapped. Too many go out of control and kill.
Petrol cars will lose value and be scrapped. No petrol.
Legs, horses, and bicycles will become usual form of transport.
Inns will become popular again for stop-overs and no drink driving laws.
AinsleyB said:
Typically, small things we didn't think of turn into massive changes and alter the direction of slow change rather dramatically.
I think you’re right, my bet would be car insurance will be that disruptive change.When an autonomous car can’t crash into other autonomous cars then the human driving on their own will become
1) socially unacceptable
2) car insurance will no longer be available to the masses
3) anyone wanting to drive themselves will need specialist insurance that will not be cost effective, this will choke off demand as new drivers will never start.
Best go out this afternoon then... suns out too.
Maxym said:
Collectible but not worth a lot if it can't be used without great difficulty and inconvenience. Horse-drawn carriages haven't been rocketing in value - anyone here lusting after one?
A Fowler B6 steam traction engine will still set you back several hundred thousand though.Insurance is a funny one. Tell us that we need a tracker in the car to be insured and we would all say "no way". We don't want big brother knowing where we are and how fast we got there.
Forgetting of course, that most people have a smart phone in their pocket that knows all that anyway.
Plus it knows what you bought, when and where, what you browsed when and where and what you texted etc.
Oh, and don't forget, a lot of people have a listening device in their home that also knows what you said. We call it Alexa or Google.
Forgetting of course, that most people have a smart phone in their pocket that knows all that anyway.
Plus it knows what you bought, when and where, what you browsed when and where and what you texted etc.
Oh, and don't forget, a lot of people have a listening device in their home that also knows what you said. We call it Alexa or Google.
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