I drove a 991 gen 2 RS over the weekend

[Steve Rance]

Very impressive car. Sharper than I expected with a brilliant engine, the PDK box is better than any race box that ive used. At low speeds the RWS was pretty much undetectable - I didnt load the chassis up so cant comment on high speed feel or performance. On snotty roads at low speeds it was surprisingly involving. As I hoped, its a car that is capable of being just as involving as a manual, just offering a different set of challenges.

I'd love to post up a propper 10/10ths write up. I will - if i'm lucky enough to get allocated one

[MDL111]

good to hear that, I might have to try one after all ....

[RDMcG]

Good to hear.
I debated going for it and replacing my 991.1 but there is an interesting question in that some of the performance improvement is the new gen tires.
I am very comfortable with the paddle shift on track and find it plenty involving.

I did sumultaneously have a 7.1 and 7.2 RS and it was a mistake on reflection. One was better of course but it was recognizably a similar car to drive.
So I will hang onto the ones I have and go for the 992RS whenever it showd up.

[Porsche911R]

Steve Rance said:

Very impressive car. Sharper than I expected with a brilliant engine, the PDK box is better than any race box that ive used. At low speeds the RWS was pretty much undetectable - I didnt load the chassis up so cant comment on high speed feel or performance. On snotty roads at low speeds it was surprisingly involving. As I hoped, its a car that is capable of being just as involving as a manual, just offering a different set of challenges.

I'd love to post up a propper 10/10ths write up. I will - if i'm lucky enough to get allocated one

It's def not as involving as a manual, due to less work involved to drive a PDK with E-Diff ! so while different challenges, they are far easier challenges when you add in PDK and an Ediff as 30% of the work is done for you, being involved really does mean driving a manual and working harder for it.

Also at slower speeds is where you notice RWS far more over higher speeds I find. when the rears are going in the opposite direction at slower speeds it feels very mid engine and shortens the car and makes it very responsive.

So a strange review. I did say they are far apart from a 991.1 GT3 ie sharper due to the moonball set up of the cars, I have some RS and now 2018 CUP car parts on my car to try and make it a manual RS as much as possible, with out the higher spring rates the RS has. 1/2 are fitted the rest go on in a few weeks as it's been a pitter to get part numbers from either car as the Porsche system is dire.

It's pretty much the perfect car with a few tweaks the manual GT3 with the extra involvement a manual and a clutch pedal brings over the far easier to drive PDK and E-diff cars.

I'll swap you a go in my 2018 CUP shod monoball suspended manual for a go In the 964. it's pretty much a one off bespoke 991.2 my car. Cup 2018 parts, RS beating BHP to the wheels and a racy geo, along with my new Ti exhaust system it's a very special drive.

I'll agree with you on the new engine though it's a brilliant engine :-) the rest , I find strange, maybe you are talking yourself into Automatics and an easier life, because driving a manual you still really get a sweat on and driving a PDK you just don't, the car really does start to take over making every bend easier and braking a doddle, a car you can take liberties with while I find the manual takes a lot more skill to nail that corner entry.

And lets face it track driving is pretty straight forward, the only place people gain is corner entry, every thing else is a by product after that to a lap time.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 5th November 12:52

[Steve Rance]

May take you up on the drive offer.

A bit more to driving on a track infortunately - or fortunately. Depending on which way you look at it.

[TDT]

Porsche911R said:

I'll swap you a go in my 2018 CUP shod monoball suspended manual for a go In the 964. it's pretty much a one off bespoke 991.2 my car. Cup 2018 parts, RS beating BHP to the wheels and a racy geo, along with my new Ti exhaust system it's a very special drive.

What Cup parts have you fitted/planning to fit?

[MDL111]

Steve out of curiosity - do you still have the 997 Cup and what have been the running costs so far? I think you wanted to "track" how much the thing costs to run as a trackday car (as opposed to racing it)?

Cheers

[hunter 66]

Porsche911R , Now all you have to do is remove the wing .... and you will have the only GT3 RS Touring Cup......which be the most valuable Porsche ...ever .
Yes Steve , Paul M drove mine and said the same that the box was the best he had ever experienced .

[_Superleggera_]

In the 200-220 price range they are a good proposition finally. Amazing to think some people paid over £300 for them when they were first flipped.

[Steve Rance]

MDL111 said:

Steve out of curiosity - do you still have the 997 Cup and what have been the running costs so far? I think you wanted to "track" how much the thing costs to run as a trackday car (as opposed to racing it)?

Cheers

Yep, Still have it. Overall it's relatively cheap to run providing you dont mind running your slicks to the bottom of the wear marks. The only potential proble is the gearbox. If you have experience with the hollinger sequential you can squeeze quite a lot of life out of one but an inexperienced driver can pretty much right one off to rebuild in one session.

On balance, id say if you were exprerienced with the Holliger, its between £1000 and £1500 per day balanced over the year. A 996 would be cheaper because of the H pattern.

Even compared to a 991GT3 its brutally quick

[CastroSays]

Porsche911R said:

Steve Rance said:

Very impressive car. Sharper than I expected with a brilliant engine, the PDK box is better than any race box that ive used. At low speeds the RWS was pretty much undetectable - I didnt load the chassis up so cant comment on high speed feel or performance. On snotty roads at low speeds it was surprisingly involving. As I hoped, its a car that is capable of being just as involving as a manual, just offering a different set of challenges.

I'd love to post up a propper 10/10ths write up. I will - if i'm lucky enough to get allocated one

It's def not as involving as a manual, due to less work involved to drive a PDK with E-Diff ! so while different challenges, they are far easier challenges when you add in PDK and an Ediff as 30% of the work is done for you, being involved really does mean driving a manual and working harder for it.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 5th November 12:52

Here we go again folks.....

More of the same old tired BS.

PHs own self appointed God of steering feel and manual shifting has spoken and heaven help anyone who may have a different opinion because you know - D E E E E E E M O N N N N........

[MDL111]

Steve Rance said:

MDL111 said:

Steve out of curiosity - do you still have the 997 Cup and what have been the running costs so far? I think you wanted to "track" how much the thing costs to run as a trackday car (as opposed to racing it)?

Cheers

Yep, Still have it. Overall it's relatively cheap to run providing you dont mind running your slicks to the bottom of the wear marks. The only potential proble is the gearbox. If you have experience with the hollinger sequential you can squeeze quite a lot of life out of one but an inexperienced driver can pretty much right one off to rebuild in one session.

On balance, id say if you were exprerienced with the Holliger, its between £1000 and £1500 per day balanced over the year. A 996 would be cheaper because of the H pattern.

Even compared to a 991GT3 its brutally quick

thank you, that is very helpful - I am in the "not experienced" camp, so I think I will probably stay away from a Hollinger box ...

[kleonard]

991 cup is worth the extra money over a 997 cup due to they don't give many problems ...the 997 cup box can be expensive to service...991 is a cheap car to run...haven't driven the new gen 2 rs but have a gen 1 ...slight improvements I guess over gen 1

[Yellow491]

CastroSays said:

Porsche911R said:

Steve Rance said:

Very impressive car. Sharper than I expected with a brilliant engine, the PDK box is better than any race box that ive used. At low speeds the RWS was pretty much undetectable - I didnt load the chassis up so cant comment on high speed feel or performance. On snotty roads at low speeds it was surprisingly involving. As I hoped, its a car that is capable of being just as involving as a manual, just offering a different set of challenges.

I'd love to post up a propper 10/10ths write up. I will - if i'm lucky enough to get allocated one

It's def not as involving as a manual, due to less work involved to drive a PDK with E-Diff ! so while different challenges, they are far easier challenges when you add in PDK and an Ediff as 30% of the work is done for you, being involved really does mean driving a manual and working harder for it.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 5th November 12:52

Here we go again folks.....

More of the same old tired BS.

PHs own self appointed God of steering feel and manual shifting has spoken and heaven help anyone who may have a different opinion because you know - D E E E E E E M O N N N N........

Yep,stuck record!

[MDL111]

kleonard said:

991 cup is worth the extra money over a 997 cup due to they don't give many problems ...the 997 cup box can be expensive to service...991 is a cheap car to run...haven't driven the new gen 2 rs but have a gen 1 ...slight improvements I guess over gen 1

thanks - might have a look at those at some point.

[red997]

I forgot how fast a 997 Cup actually was - found some old race data from when I had one;
significantly quicker (corners..) that my 991 GT3; but it did have slicks...
thankfully, I never killed the gearbox !

[majordad]

CastroSays said:

Porsche911R said:

Steve Rance said:

Very impressive car. Sharper than I expected with a brilliant engine, the PDK box is better than any race box that ive used. At low speeds the RWS was pretty much undetectable - I didnt load the chassis up so cant comment on high speed feel or performance. On snotty roads at low speeds it was surprisingly involving. As I hoped, its a car that is capable of being just as involving as a manual, just offering a different set of challenges.

I'd love to post up a propper 10/10ths write up. I will - if i'm lucky enough to get allocated one

It's def not as involving as a manual, due to less work involved to drive a PDK with E-Diff ! so while different challenges, they are far easier challenges when you add in PDK and an Ediff as 30% of the work is done for you, being involved really does mean driving a manual and working harder for it.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 5th November 12:52

Here we go again folks.....

More of the same old tired BS.

PHs own self appointed God of steering feel and manual shifting has spoken and heaven help anyone who may have a different opinion because you know - D E E E E E E M O N N N N........

Castro, move off to Mumset or Cuba and let us have some discussion here without your bhing, please !

[majordad]

How do you kill the gearbox and how to avoid it ?

[m88ony]

Porsche911R said:

It's def not as involving as a manual, due to less work involved to drive a PDK with E-Diff ! so while different challenges, they are far easier challenges when you add in PDK and an Ediff as 30% of the work is done for you, being involved really does mean driving a manual and working harder for it.

Also at slower speeds is where you notice RWS far more over higher speeds I find. when the rears are going in the opposite direction at slower speeds it feels very mid engine and shortens the car and makes it very responsive.

So a strange review. I did say they are far apart from a 991.1 GT3 ie sharper due to the moonball set up of the cars, I have some RS and now 2018 CUP car parts on my car to try and make it a manual RS as much as possible, with out the higher spring rates the RS has. 1/2 are fitted the rest go on in a few weeks as it's been a pitter to get part numbers from either car as the Porsche system is dire.

It's pretty much the perfect car with a few tweaks the manual GT3 with the extra involvement a manual and a clutch pedal brings over the far easier to drive PDK and E-diff cars.

I'll swap you a go in my 2018 CUP shod monoball suspended manual for a go In the 964. it's pretty much a one off bespoke 991.2 my car. Cup 2018 parts, RS beating BHP to the wheels and a racy geo, along with my new Ti exhaust system it's a very special drive.

I'll agree with you on the new engine though it's a brilliant engine :-) the rest , I find strange, maybe you are talking yourself into Automatics and an easier life, because driving a manual you still really get a sweat on and driving a PDK you just don't, the car really does start to take over making every bend easier and braking a doddle, a car you can take liberties with while I find the manual takes a lot more skill to nail that corner entry.

And lets face it track driving is pretty straight forward, the only place people gain is corner entry, every thing else is a by product after that to a lap time.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 5th November 12:52

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Steve Rance]

majordad said:

How do you kill the gearbox and how to avoid it ?

Basically you need to be very fast and positive with your upshifts and nail the heal toe revs perfectly along with a fast and positive downshift. If you are slow with your shifting or miss time your downshifts you will damage to box.

Rebuild costs have come down a lot and can be between £3 and £10k as opposed to the £20k shockers of old but it still isn’t a cheap box to maintain