Foreign Vehicles Speeding?
Discussion
Anyone know if foreign plated vehicles would actually get the ticket/points if caught by a camera over here?
Just spent 2hrs on the M25/M20/M2 and the amount of Polish & Romanian vans hurtling along in the outside lane, or in the average speed cameras section makes me wonder if they ever actually get a ticket, or if they are "safe" due to the leg work required?
Just spent 2hrs on the M25/M20/M2 and the amount of Polish & Romanian vans hurtling along in the outside lane, or in the average speed cameras section makes me wonder if they ever actually get a ticket, or if they are "safe" due to the leg work required?
Chris944_S2 said:
I suspect you won't either in foreign countries, as the UK tends not to have any reciprocal agreement with that many countries.
There's been an agreement in place for a couple of years now ,but maybe some countries can't be bothered tochase up the speeders.
Might depend on how much over the limit they are.
I was in the M20 average camera section last Friday at silly o clock ,doing the 50 set speed and an ,I think ,
Dutch Merc went past at estimated double my speed.
Pericoloso said:
There's been an agreement in place for a couple of years now ,but maybe some countries can't be bothered to
chase up the speeders.
Might depend on how much over the limit they are.
I was in the M20 average camera section last Friday at silly o clock ,doing the 50 set speed and an ,I think ,
Dutch Merc went past at estimated double my speed.
Was the same when they had a limit, iirc 40 or 50 between Folkestone & Dover a couple of years ago. Anything UK registered did the posted limit & everything else did varying high lepton speeds!chase up the speeders.
Might depend on how much over the limit they are.
I was in the M20 average camera section last Friday at silly o clock ,doing the 50 set speed and an ,I think ,
Dutch Merc went past at estimated double my speed.
From what I understand, other European countries can send us tickets but we can't/won't do the same to them. If however you're stopped by a police officer in the UK whilst driving a foreign registered car and they decide to run the reg through the system, you'll be in a lot of trouble when they notice all the unpaid fines.
Jim AK said:
Was the same when they had a limit, iirc 40 or 50 between Folkestone & Dover a couple of years ago. Anything UK registered did the posted limit & everything else did varying high lepton speeds!
That low limit was ridiculous and served no purpose.Signs said it was experimental and thankfully has been scrapped.
eezeh said:
This is what really irks me.
We have different laws. EU agreements allow keeper details to be shared along with other vehicle information. As every reader here must know - Here we send the keeper of the car an NIP and a notice to identify the driver. Failure to do so is an offence, if they name the driver then the Driver gets fined/prosecuted. However we cannot make the same requirements of someone not within our jurisdiction, just as other countries could not to someone in the UK. So we don't know the driver, and the keeper commits no offence. Other countries (Not all) make the keeper liable, by default, for speeding committed by their vehicle.
eezeh said:
Geekman said:
From what I understand, other European countries can send us tickets but we can't/won't do the same to them.
This is what really irks me. Romanian van right up behind me as I'm doing 75 or so over taking, pretty much so close I couldn't see his lights and I move over, he storms off in a battered van.. Seemingly knowing he can do what he wants.
Jonnny said:
eezeh said:
Geekman said:
From what I understand, other European countries can send us tickets but we can't/won't do the same to them.
This is what really irks me. Romanian van right up behind me as I'm doing 75 or so over taking, pretty much so close I couldn't see his lights and I move over, he storms off in a battered van.. Seemingly knowing he can do what he wants.
The UK system of points on the licence makes enforcement more complicated. Probably in 90%+ of the cases, the registered keeper and the driver (offender) are the same, but this needs to be confirmed.
In most of the rest of Europe, the fine just goes to the registered keeper. Here in Belgium, they don't care who was driving, as long as the fine gets paid.
In most of the rest of Europe, the fine just goes to the registered keeper. Here in Belgium, they don't care who was driving, as long as the fine gets paid.
Chris944_S2 said:
I never get any when I'm in the UK. I suspect you won't either in foreign countries, as the UK tends not to have any reciprocal agreement with that many countries.
Not true. I got a Germany ticket for speeding in our motorhome, through the post the month after we got back. 13kph over the limit and the fine was 20 euro. Paid by bank transfer.Oilchange said:
I wonder if the solution is to record the anpr stuff and when they go to get on the ferry, pull them over to the side to settle up before crossing the channel.
Might raise a bob or two for the treasury...
But they might decide to plead 'not guilty', as they have the right to do. What happens then? Lock them up at taxpayer expense until the hearing before a magistrate. All very nice in theory, but would this work?Might raise a bob or two for the treasury...
Cooperman said:
But they might decide to plead 'not guilty', as they have the right to do. What happens then? Lock them up at taxpayer expense until the hearing before a magistrate. All very nice in theory, but would this work?
Just my musings, the continental cops dont seem to have a problem extracting money from speeding motorists, maybe our system could accomodate their methods...Or, go to court.
If the driver then fails to attend, is found guilty and absconds then on re entry into the uk is arrested. Isnt that how it normally works?
Edited by Oilchange on Saturday 10th November 18:03
If the UK had a system of demanding fines paid on the spot I suspect what's left of the UK motorway police would be more interested in stopping foreign registered vehicles.
It can work both ways, I inadvertently went through some 'gate-less toll both' several times one week near Dublin and never paid the fee as I never knew it was even there. Never heard from them.
It can work both ways, I inadvertently went through some 'gate-less toll both' several times one week near Dublin and never paid the fee as I never knew it was even there. Never heard from them.
Oilchange said:
Cooperman said:
But they might decide to plead 'not guilty', as they have the right to do. What happens then? Lock them up at taxpayer expense until the hearing before a magistrate. All very nice in theory, but would this work?
Just my musings, the continental cops dont seem to have a problem extracting money from speeding motorists, maybe our system could accomodate their methods...Or, go to court.
If the driver then fails to attend, is found guilty and absconds then on re entry into the uk is arrested. Isnt that how it normally works?
Edited by Oilchange on Saturday 10th November 18:03
Geekman said:
From what I understand, other European countries can send us tickets but we can't/won't do the same to them.
TrueGeekman said:
If however you're stopped by a police officer in the UK whilst driving a foreign registered car and they decide to run the reg through the system, you'll be in a lot of trouble when they notice all the unpaid fines.
Don't believe this for a second. Registration of a car will vary from country to country. For some, the registration plate goes with the car (like in the UK); in others, the reg plate belongs to the person, and gets transferred from car to car. A policeman would have to know the situation for each foreign country and then still have to prove it was the same driver...So as others have said, foreign registered cars are pretty much immune to speed cameras and ANPR (which in the UK is configured to read UK reg plates). Get stopped by the police, though, and you'd likely get an on the spot fine for that particular offence. But given the parsity of traffic police these days, there's not so much chance of that.
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