Mod 2 motorcycle direct access test poser?
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Ok here is a scenario
You are driving on your test on a dual carriageway with 50 mph limit. You are in left hand lane and in front of you is a car doing 45mph.
Keeping your 2 second gap you pull out maintaining your 50 mph and start to overtake.
As you gradually overtake the idiot in the car then speeds up to 50.
You are now stuck parallel with the car.
So you can’t break the speed limit- failed test
If you remain in outside line - failed test
If you slow down you are not making progress -failed test.
In reality you would just speed up and pull in and reduce to legal speed again.
What’s the answer ???
You are driving on your test on a dual carriageway with 50 mph limit. You are in left hand lane and in front of you is a car doing 45mph.
Keeping your 2 second gap you pull out maintaining your 50 mph and start to overtake.
As you gradually overtake the idiot in the car then speeds up to 50.
You are now stuck parallel with the car.
So you can’t break the speed limit- failed test
If you remain in outside line - failed test
If you slow down you are not making progress -failed test.
In reality you would just speed up and pull in and reduce to legal speed again.
What’s the answer ???
k off down the road pulling a minging wheelie in my imagination. 
I was told (last year), that is was ok within reason obviously to slightly increase your speed to complete the overtake if your neck and neck. Slowing down and pulling in is ok but it depends on whether another car is behind you.
This is a problem that I found with MOD 2 lessons, in that I couldn't seem to get consistent answers regarding certain situations. If in doubt I just did what I would have done in my car and all was ok, but It does seem like there are a lot of grey areas when your learning. A lot of it though I'm convinced is just overthinking each situation.
This is a problem that I found with MOD 2 lessons, in that I couldn't seem to get consistent answers regarding certain situations. If in doubt I just did what I would have done in my car and all was ok, but It does seem like there are a lot of grey areas when your learning. A lot of it though I'm convinced is just overthinking each situation.
WarnieV6GT said:
I was told (last year), that is was ok within reason obviously to slightly increase your speed to complete the overtake if your neck and neck. Slowing down and pulling in is ok but it depends on whether another car is behind you.
This is a problem that I found with MOD 2 lessons, in that I couldn't seem to get consistent answers regarding certain situations. If in doubt I just did what I would have done in my car and all was ok, but It does seem like there are a lot of grey areas when your learning. A lot of it though I'm convinced is just overthinking each situation.
Breaking the speed limit is an offence and I would never recommend it during any test. It risks an instant fail.This is a problem that I found with MOD 2 lessons, in that I couldn't seem to get consistent answers regarding certain situations. If in doubt I just did what I would have done in my car and all was ok, but It does seem like there are a lot of grey areas when your learning. A lot of it though I'm convinced is just overthinking each situation.
If the speed differential is really only 5 mph, I would probably not bother with the O/T (if being tested). The scenario suggested is too common.
If you do overtake and the target vehicle speeds up, the examiner will spot that the bad driving is not yours. I would slow down and abandon the pass.
Many thanks for answers, she is at least in her head now going to slow a bit let him go, and pull in, and hope the idiot in the car then doesn’t start playing games with you by also slowing down. Which as we all know in reality we would get past the idiot at the fastest possible safe speed and then pull in and forget them. The test should take this into account and no penalise ppl taking the test due to actions of others.
I passed my DAS just over a month ago so all the training and advice given is still fresh in my mind. Two observations from what has been said:
1) if you are not the vehicle that is traveling slowly holding up other cars you will not be penalised. So sitting at 45mph in a 50 is perfectly acceptable if behind another vehicle, just ensure a safe distance is maintained at all times.
I got 1 minor mark on my Mod 2 for traveling for 5 whole minutes at 14mph in a 50 zone behind a horse and cart. I didn't want to overtake as although in reality I knew I could make it, I didn't want to risk it in the test as there were lots of oncoming cars, bollards etc. The examiner said I'll give you a minor for observation as there were plenty of safe opportunities to overtake, it's not a serious mark though because I didn't endanger anyone or cause another vehicle to react.
2) if going for an overtake I was advised to only ever consider it if the vehicle is 10mph below the limit. This is enough that you can build speed up and before the other vehicle has noticed you've moved out, you are already past them.
As a final note if you do break the speed limit by 2-3mph it's not the end of the world as speedos generally always under-read and unlike a car test, the examiner cannot actually see your speedo. In a similar situation doing my driving test 10 years ago I accelerated to 54 in a 50 and ended up with a minor mark for it where the examiner knew for fact that I had momentarily exceeded the speed limit.
1) if you are not the vehicle that is traveling slowly holding up other cars you will not be penalised. So sitting at 45mph in a 50 is perfectly acceptable if behind another vehicle, just ensure a safe distance is maintained at all times.
I got 1 minor mark on my Mod 2 for traveling for 5 whole minutes at 14mph in a 50 zone behind a horse and cart. I didn't want to overtake as although in reality I knew I could make it, I didn't want to risk it in the test as there were lots of oncoming cars, bollards etc. The examiner said I'll give you a minor for observation as there were plenty of safe opportunities to overtake, it's not a serious mark though because I didn't endanger anyone or cause another vehicle to react.
2) if going for an overtake I was advised to only ever consider it if the vehicle is 10mph below the limit. This is enough that you can build speed up and before the other vehicle has noticed you've moved out, you are already past them.
As a final note if you do break the speed limit by 2-3mph it's not the end of the world as speedos generally always under-read and unlike a car test, the examiner cannot actually see your speedo. In a similar situation doing my driving test 10 years ago I accelerated to 54 in a 50 and ended up with a minor mark for it where the examiner knew for fact that I had momentarily exceeded the speed limit.
Failed my MOD2 for passing a line of parked cars a little too closely. No other faults throughout the test, just that. Real annoying thing was it was right at the start of the test, first few minutes and got back to the test centre genuinely believing it was a solid pass. Argued the toss with the examiner about arms length blah blah but ultimately it was never up for debate.
Retest soon
I think as others have said, roll off the throttle and drop back into the left lane ensuring a decent gap would be the correct action in this scenario
Retest soon
I think as others have said, roll off the throttle and drop back into the left lane ensuring a decent gap would be the correct action in this scenario
Roo63 said:
Hmmmm it’s almost if they are failing people for tiniest excuse to generate loads of cash ..........
The retake is frustratingly expensive, £205 (that includes the bike, instructor for that block of time plus test fee (£75)) etc. Safe to say I wont be making the same mistake again. It was put down as a 'Serious fault', I can only assume as it was a line of parked cars, it was like first car, too close, next car, still too close, third car, still too close, failed. I do get the whole, someone could throw a car door open, but they didn't, and I was sure I was at a safe distance ... like I say, wont be making the same mistake again.
Luckily MOD1 went smoothly first time, gets expensive when putting a foot down can cost you £150 haha
I failed my driving test the first time round in this scenario. It was a 40 limit dual carriageway, car on the inside doing 30, I went for the overtake, they sped up, I slowed down and moved back in, but I got a major for it. It was the only option at the time but the instructor said it was dangerous to slow down (even though there was nothing behind me) and flunked me. I still think he was wrong, I should have passed, and you lot are right, but just thought you should know it isn't always black and white
I’m not going down this rabbit hole, my personal opinion is the test is unrealistic. One hand stating ride within your limitations, to the conditions at the time. The test expects you to ride very near or on the speed limit during your test, regardless of day or night or rain , only allowing a slight easing off around corners during the test. I got one would no be doing 55-60 Ona 60 limit in the wet and dark coupled with headlight dazzle. The test having absolute standards will not take that into account as lots of people have discovered.
Roo63 said:
Hmmmm it’s almost if they are failing people for tiniest excuse to generate loads of cash ..........
A friend of mine is the manager of an area of driving test centres.From some of his stories they don't need any help to cause an increase in failures for monetary reasons, the candidates do it themselves.
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