Torqueing about lost BHP - Chimaera v Tamora
Discussion
Ok I think we've done the - my Rover V8 TVR doesn't do the BHP figures to death one, but I thought it might be worth doing a comparison of on the road performance between a Tamora and a 4.0 Chimaera. It makes intersting reading.
From 2 press reviews
Tamora ( Autocar - April 2002)
Chimaera 4.0 ( Fast Lane May 93)
These are the in gear acceleration tests ( ie the sorts of acceleration you can use on the road)
Figures are 4th/5th gear respectively!
Speed ( MPH) Chimaera Tamora
30-50 4.4/6.2 4.3/6.2
40-60 4.3/5.9 4.2/6.0
50-70 4.3/5.9 4.3/5.9
60-80 4.2/6.0 4.1/5.9
70-90 4.3/7.3 3.8/6.8
80-100 4.5/6.7 4.0/7.3
:ekk Now that's close! and it's only a 4 litre Chimaera!
I accept that the tamora has better brakes and suspension, but the Chimaera is ( cheaper, better noise, more reliable(time to hide!). With the money you can save on the Chimaera you can have some great brakes and suspension fitted.
I also accept that the Chimaera was a press car
, but so too was the Tamora.
0-60 times are different, the Tamora wins this because it can rev higher, and doesn't need to change to 3rd to get to 60.
Personally I like the effortless power of the V8's, and of course the noise!.
From 2 press reviews
Tamora ( Autocar - April 2002)
Chimaera 4.0 ( Fast Lane May 93)
These are the in gear acceleration tests ( ie the sorts of acceleration you can use on the road)
Figures are 4th/5th gear respectively!
Speed ( MPH) Chimaera Tamora
30-50 4.4/6.2 4.3/6.2
40-60 4.3/5.9 4.2/6.0
50-70 4.3/5.9 4.3/5.9
60-80 4.2/6.0 4.1/5.9
70-90 4.3/7.3 3.8/6.8
80-100 4.5/6.7 4.0/7.3
:ekk Now that's close! and it's only a 4 litre Chimaera!
I accept that the tamora has better brakes and suspension, but the Chimaera is ( cheaper, better noise, more reliable(time to hide!). With the money you can save on the Chimaera you can have some great brakes and suspension fitted.
I also accept that the Chimaera was a press car
, but so too was the Tamora. 0-60 times are different, the Tamora wins this because it can rev higher, and doesn't need to change to 3rd to get to 60.
Personally I like the effortless power of the V8's, and of course the noise!.
When I come to replace my 4.0 Chimaera I want to stick with a full convertable so I am faced with either a Tamora or a newish secondhand Chimaera 500.I must admit my current leaning is to the chimaera.This is down to the fact it is a V8 and I don't really like the front and rear end styling of the Tamora.As for performance,in the real world of public roads there probably isn't that much in it! As for looks its amazing what a bigger set of wheels and a headlamp conversion can do.
>> Edited by P7ULG on Monday 23 September 10:20
>> Edited by P7ULG on Monday 23 September 10:20
All this shows is that the Tamora is higher geared. The Speed 6 engine like most of the AJPs like revs and have nothing down in the low revs where the Chimaera has its torque.
If the gears are used, then the Chimaera is dead meat. A stiff. Gone to meet its maker etc.
Many a Rover V8 driver has test driven a AJP car and complained that it wasn't that quick because they were not revving it and driving the car the way it should.
Steve
If the gears are used, then the Chimaera is dead meat. A stiff. Gone to meet its maker etc.
Many a Rover V8 driver has test driven a AJP car and complained that it wasn't that quick because they were not revving it and driving the car the way it should.
Steve
Hold on a minute.......
If you look at this week's Autocar and compare the Tamora to the Chimaera 4.0l you'll see:-
0-60: 4.2 / 5.2
0-100: 9.1 / 13.2
30-70: 3.2 / 4.5 (through the gears)
50-70: 5.9 / 6.8 (in top gear)
So as you can see there is a large difference in all areas.
Best thing to do is go and drive a Tamora and make your own mind up rather than relying on magazines.
But you're right about the noise. The sound of the V8 is the ONLY thing I miss about mu 4.0l Chimaera.
Cheers.... Andrew
If you look at this week's Autocar and compare the Tamora to the Chimaera 4.0l you'll see:-
0-60: 4.2 / 5.2
0-100: 9.1 / 13.2
30-70: 3.2 / 4.5 (through the gears)
50-70: 5.9 / 6.8 (in top gear)
So as you can see there is a large difference in all areas.
Best thing to do is go and drive a Tamora and make your own mind up rather than relying on magazines.
But you're right about the noise. The sound of the V8 is the ONLY thing I miss about mu 4.0l Chimaera.
Cheers.... Andrew
You could drop a gear or 3 , I've driven both cars, and prefer the more relaxed attitude. All this proves is there's two ways to go fast.
The Tamora actually has a lower gearing than the Chimaera, it's the ability to rev to 7500- plus RPM that means it can get to 60 without a gear change.
The Tamora actually has a lower gearing than the Chimaera, it's the ability to rev to 7500- plus RPM that means it can get to 60 without a gear change.
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All this shows is that the Tamora is higher geared. The Speed 6 engine like most of the AJPs like revs and have nothing down in the low revs where the Chimaera has its torque.
If the gears are used, then the Chimaera is dead meat. A stiff. Gone to meet its maker etc.
Many a Rover V8 driver has test driven a AJP car and complained that it wasn't that quick because they were not revving it and driving the car the way it should.
Steve
in my experience (Zolder this year) a 500 Rover V8 (Griff in this case) is as quick or quicker up to 100 mph. After that the Speed 6 and AJP8 are flying.
Of course, the Tamora/Tuscan/Cerbera have the better chassis.
Thanks, understand now, you mean the Tamora requires 1 gear change to 60mph wheras the Chimaera needs 2?
Don't know if that's true either? My 4.0l Chimaera could easily get to 60 in 2nd.
Anyway, back to the point of this thread. If you look at the figures from Autocar that I posted earlier you'll find that the Tamora is significantly faster in all departments. It's also very easy to drive around town and in traffic.
I'm not knocking the 4.0l Chimaera in any way as for 3 years I used one daily and loved it. Just don't go thinking that it'll keep up with a Tamora.
Cheers.... Andrew
Don't know if that's true either? My 4.0l Chimaera could easily get to 60 in 2nd.
Anyway, back to the point of this thread. If you look at the figures from Autocar that I posted earlier you'll find that the Tamora is significantly faster in all departments. It's also very easy to drive around town and in traffic.
I'm not knocking the 4.0l Chimaera in any way as for 3 years I used one daily and loved it. Just don't go thinking that it'll keep up with a Tamora.
Cheers.... Andrew
Andrew, I don't disagree about the Tamora (very easy to drive), i agree the tamora is faster thru the gears, however you've chosen the best autocar tamora results against the worst Chimaera 4.0 press results, (take best for each) and the on road (in gear) diffence is minimal.
All too often we foget how fast/enjoyable the older cars are.
you pays your money and takes your choice, relaxed and effortless, lower gear revvy and frantic? Whatever, they are both good fun.
All too often we foget how fast/enjoyable the older cars are.
you pays your money and takes your choice, relaxed and effortless, lower gear revvy and frantic? Whatever, they are both good fun.
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in my experience (Zolder this year) a 500 Rover V8 (Griff in this case) is as quick or quicker up to 100 mph. After that the Speed 6 and AJP8 are flying.
Of course, the Tamora/Tuscan/Cerbera have the better chassis.
Not a really fair comparison I'm afraid as the driver can make a big big difference as the driver decides when to change up and how long each gear change will take. That has a big effect on acceleration.
Give you an example. I got accused of having a modded Griff 500 first time round because I used to keep it in second out of Druids (T5 boxs have slightly longer seconds) while most others were in third. Meant that I could accelerate to around 65 and change up while the other cars were dieselling it in third. Was the car any quicker? well quick enough to overtake and tuck in before Graham Hill bend yet the car was absolutely standard.
The driver makes one hell of a difference in car perfromance, especially on a track.
Steve
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You sure? I thought 60 mph in the Chimaera was right at the top of second gear (say 5800ish rpm).
T5 gearbox model BTW, guess the diff/drive might be different on a 5.0 vs a 4.0 too ...
T/.
My 4.0 certainly gets to (and through) 60 in 2nd.
However, I test drove a Tamora some time back and nailed it in second up to 7.5k - there's no way my Chimaera would be able to stay with that. But I still absolutley love it and will not be selling it until it falls to bits.
PS: re the Tamora sound, not it's not a V8, but by god, does it sing! Felt like I was driving a race car when I spazzed it through a tunnel.
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