Still, the most exuberant Vantage review.
Discussion
I love this, it`s my happy place.
Jason Cammisa would have been a great fit with Chris Harris on Top Gear, rather than what is rapidly becoming "Britain`s next Super Car Driver" or some such...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPhoh3kens
Jason Cammisa would have been a great fit with Chris Harris on Top Gear, rather than what is rapidly becoming "Britain`s next Super Car Driver" or some such...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPhoh3kens
I think that there isn't one person on here that would not rather the sound, soul and response of the old NA V12 over the current TT V8. Especially those that have the means to purchase and run such a car.
However, I'd really like to hear the story from AM's side. The AMG V8 is arguably the best handbuilt engine on the planet they could reasonably source - especially given current multi-national environmental restraints - suited to various global markets. But did AM ever give consideration to using other engines, Jaguar's Ftype supercharged V8 for example?
Any news on whether AM will fit their in-house TT V12 to the new Vantage? With the right exhaust setup, they can be made to sound excellent.
However, I'd really like to hear the story from AM's side. The AMG V8 is arguably the best handbuilt engine on the planet they could reasonably source - especially given current multi-national environmental restraints - suited to various global markets. But did AM ever give consideration to using other engines, Jaguar's Ftype supercharged V8 for example?
Any news on whether AM will fit their in-house TT V12 to the new Vantage? With the right exhaust setup, they can be made to sound excellent.
Unless something drastically changes, there doesn't seem to be a plan to put the AM31 engine in the Vantage; it's a bit heavy relative to the V8. The difference I guess in this iteration of Vantage, is the V8 is a strong enough foundation to make some big horsepower in more fruity versions later down the line (toward 800bhp with mainly existing hardware). Gone are the days when the V12 gave a significant amount more power - but I'd hazard that those wanting a V12, are less concerned with the numbers, and it's an acoustic choice.
I'd like a V12 version, but in a chassis that is now so well sorted, it would be a shame to upset that by adding ~115kg back into the car for no reason other than sound, as the V8 has the scope to produce as much power as the TT V12.
On a related note, back a while (2017 I think), when AP was talking about the mid-engine car in 2020, he mentioned there wasn't an engine in the catalogue at present that would do that job i.e. neither the TT V8 or TT V12. That could be read several different ways, but I'd guess that something's being developed in house (home brewed twin turbo V8 would be my guess). That would appease some regarding the AMG thing, but the lack of acceptance about having to go the forced induction route might take a few years to get past.
I'd like a V12 version, but in a chassis that is now so well sorted, it would be a shame to upset that by adding ~115kg back into the car for no reason other than sound, as the V8 has the scope to produce as much power as the TT V12.
On a related note, back a while (2017 I think), when AP was talking about the mid-engine car in 2020, he mentioned there wasn't an engine in the catalogue at present that would do that job i.e. neither the TT V8 or TT V12. That could be read several different ways, but I'd guess that something's being developed in house (home brewed twin turbo V8 would be my guess). That would appease some regarding the AMG thing, but the lack of acceptance about having to go the forced induction route might take a few years to get past.
Mr.Tremlini said:
I love this, it`s my happy place.
Jason Cammisa would have been a great fit with Chris Harris on Top Gear, rather than what is rapidly becoming "Britain`s next Super Car Driver" or some such...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPhoh3kens
After seeing this I ordered a v12 vsm and started talks to commission the v600 without ever driving an actual vantage . Ever .Jason Cammisa would have been a great fit with Chris Harris on Top Gear, rather than what is rapidly becoming "Britain`s next Super Car Driver" or some such...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPhoh3kens
When the Macca's came out - especially the 570s, and I was looking to switch to a daily driver that was also some fun, I test drove one. But with the ugly sound when not pushing it (at low speed sounded like a Honda civic with a cheap aftermarket exhaust), and the lazy throttle feel, I came home in two minds. Then I saw this video, kept the old V12V and bought a Tesla for the commute.
@wtdoom, well done with the V600. If only I could.
@wtdoom, well done with the V600. If only I could.
Jag V8 is pretty old, pretty big, high and forward in the F Type and saloon engine bays and at its limit in some Jag and RR vehicles.
Built by Ford under an agreement that is winding down and being dropped from many models as emissions quite high.
Don't see AM considering for a moment when DB have link and engine and also other ICE systems etc not available to low or relatively low volume producers.
Built by Ford under an agreement that is winding down and being dropped from many models as emissions quite high.
Don't see AM considering for a moment when DB have link and engine and also other ICE systems etc not available to low or relatively low volume producers.
I like this one from Carfection, very similar observations but without all the dust clouds and tasers 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMwp2bNBLv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMwp2bNBLv4
NFC 85 Vette said:
Unless something drastically changes, there doesn't seem to be a plan to put the AM31 engine in the Vantage; it's a bit heavy relative to the V8. The difference I guess in this iteration of Vantage, is the V8 is a strong enough foundation to make some big horsepower in more fruity versions later down the line (toward 800bhp with mainly existing hardware). Gone are the days when the V12 gave a significant amount more power - but I'd hazard that those wanting a V12, are less concerned with the numbers, and it's an acoustic choice.
I'd like a V12 version, but in a chassis that is now so well sorted, it would be a shame to upset that by adding ~115kg back into the car for no reason other than sound, as the V8 has the scope to produce as much power as the TT V12.
I agree with most of what you say, but that's assuming that MB will let AM turn the wick up on the V8. I'm sure they don't want a competitor getting more oomph out of their own engine and in turn trumping their own products. They did it with the infotainment, why stop there?I'd like a V12 version, but in a chassis that is now so well sorted, it would be a shame to upset that by adding ~115kg back into the car for no reason other than sound, as the V8 has the scope to produce as much power as the TT V12.
At least if they do shoehorn the V12TT into the Vantage (sounds familiar), they'll have the freedom to do what they want with it.
AlexT said:
I think that there isn't one person on here that would not rather the sound, soul and response of the old NA V12 over the current TT V8. Especially those that have the means to purchase and run such a car.
However, I'd really like to hear the story from AM's side. The AMG V8 is arguably the best handbuilt engine on the planet they could reasonably source - especially given current multi-national environmental restraints - suited to various global markets. But did AM ever give consideration to using other engines, Jaguar's Ftype supercharged V8 for example?
Any news on whether AM will fit their in-house TT V12 to the new Vantage? With the right exhaust setup, they can be made to sound excellent.
Unfortunately the TT V12 will never sound as good as the NA V12. However, I'd really like to hear the story from AM's side. The AMG V8 is arguably the best handbuilt engine on the planet they could reasonably source - especially given current multi-national environmental restraints - suited to various global markets. But did AM ever give consideration to using other engines, Jaguar's Ftype supercharged V8 for example?
Any news on whether AM will fit their in-house TT V12 to the new Vantage? With the right exhaust setup, they can be made to sound excellent.
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