Crime out of control & police can't manage - get the Army in
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Not a day goes by without serious crime and no police presence being reported in the media. Who on earth would consider being a police officer nowadays?
This comes from someone who's spouse proudly served for 10 years in the force. But left due to being unable to relocate and the tide was turning around 5-6 years ago. The riots were a real turning point for her.
Why can't we deploy the army then and have them help keep law and disorder at a minumum?
America's police is looking more and more like the military.
I am all for it. A visible deterrent like the army would surely be enough to stop some of the scum?
This comes from someone who's spouse proudly served for 10 years in the force. But left due to being unable to relocate and the tide was turning around 5-6 years ago. The riots were a real turning point for her.
Why can't we deploy the army then and have them help keep law and disorder at a minumum?
America's police is looking more and more like the military.
I am all for it. A visible deterrent like the army would surely be enough to stop some of the scum?
Simply, the Army are not Police and are not trained as such, nor do they have Civil Police powers.
While the Military may be asked to give 'Aid to the Civil Power', in terms of policing, it will always be Police led and rightly so.
Using Military Forces alone (and thus unaccountably) for Internal Security is a slippery slope toward Military Dictatorship, Juntas, and becoming a Banana Republic. Google: MRF in Northern Ireland.
And all that is before we consider the fact that the Army is currently grossly undermanned.
While the Military may be asked to give 'Aid to the Civil Power', in terms of policing, it will always be Police led and rightly so.
Using Military Forces alone (and thus unaccountably) for Internal Security is a slippery slope toward Military Dictatorship, Juntas, and becoming a Banana Republic. Google: MRF in Northern Ireland.
And all that is before we consider the fact that the Army is currently grossly undermanned.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Wednesday 21st November 19:27
SlimJim16v said:
No, the likelihood of a crime happening is directly related to the chances of being caught.
No Police, little chance of being caught.
But it’s not a deterrent, take shoplifting as an example - where it’s under £200 the police actively won’t pursue it (ref: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen... therefore its irrelevant of presence No Police, little chance of being caught.
Last week someone reversed into the side of my car and drove off, large damage up the side will need new door
Two independent witnesses and all caught on dash cam
I was sat inside the house so very easy case,
No investigation, told to take civil action over the phone
Very frustrating
However our local cops have just splashed out on a LGBT car, that seems to mainly go to gay pride marches and the like
I understand that there is a limited budget but the damage to my car would be a cut and dry case
Two independent witnesses and all caught on dash cam
I was sat inside the house so very easy case,
No investigation, told to take civil action over the phone
Very frustrating
However our local cops have just splashed out on a LGBT car, that seems to mainly go to gay pride marches and the like
I understand that there is a limited budget but the damage to my car would be a cut and dry case
Edited by Spare tyre on Wednesday 21st November 21:02
Spare tyre said:
Last week someone reversed into the side of my car, large damage up the side will need new door
Two independent witnesses and all caught on dash cam
I was sat inside the house so very easy case,
No investigation, told to take civil action over the phone
Very frustrating
However our local cops have just splashed out on a LGBT car, that seems to mainly go to gay pride marches and the like
I understand that there is a limited budget but the damage to my car would be a cut and dry case
What crime was committed?Two independent witnesses and all caught on dash cam
I was sat inside the house so very easy case,
No investigation, told to take civil action over the phone
Very frustrating
However our local cops have just splashed out on a LGBT car, that seems to mainly go to gay pride marches and the like
I understand that there is a limited budget but the damage to my car would be a cut and dry case
ChrisNic said:
Spare tyre said:
Last week someone reversed into the side of my car, large damage up the side will need new door
Two independent witnesses and all caught on dash cam
I was sat inside the house so very easy case,
No investigation, told to take civil action over the phone
Very frustrating
However our local cops have just splashed out on a LGBT car, that seems to mainly go to gay pride marches and the like
I understand that there is a limited budget but the damage to my car would be a cut and dry case
What crime was committed?Two independent witnesses and all caught on dash cam
I was sat inside the house so very easy case,
No investigation, told to take civil action over the phone
Very frustrating
However our local cops have just splashed out on a LGBT car, that seems to mainly go to gay pride marches and the like
I understand that there is a limited budget but the damage to my car would be a cut and dry case
https://cartwrightking.co.uk/areas-of-practice/mot...
Cartwright King Solicitors said:
If you have been involved in a motoring accident, the law requires you to stop at the scene and exchange correct personal details with any person who has reasonable grounds to request them. If details are not exchanged you must report to the police as soon as reasonably practicable and in any event within 24 hours. Failing to stop at the scene of an accident involving injury or damage is an offence which carries a maximum penalty of 6 months imprisonment.
Someone posted a stat a while ago saying that police numbers have been cut to what we had in the '80s whilst the population has grown by nearly 10m since then and we now have one of the smallest forces per capita in a developed, first world country.
Add on that the police are dealing less and less with proper crimes through sheer work overload whilst helping to prop up mental health services, social services and the rise of social media shenanigans means the thin blue line is getting thinner and thinner and is now positively anorexic.
Proper funding and reversal of the cuts is the obvious answer.
No (Tory) Home Secretary will authorise the army on the streets unless it is really, really the last resort as it will only highlight that they were originally very wrong in cutting police numbers.
Add on that the police are dealing less and less with proper crimes through sheer work overload whilst helping to prop up mental health services, social services and the rise of social media shenanigans means the thin blue line is getting thinner and thinner and is now positively anorexic.
Proper funding and reversal of the cuts is the obvious answer.
No (Tory) Home Secretary will authorise the army on the streets unless it is really, really the last resort as it will only highlight that they were originally very wrong in cutting police numbers.
Evolved said:
They’re all to busy manning ‘safety’ cameras in the back of vans. Give them a break, they’re there to protect and serve.
My nephew is a copper working in Tower Hamlets, and I can assure you that's not the case at all.f
k what he has to deal with each day for a game of soldiers!QuickQuack said:
ChrisNic said:
Spare tyre said:
Last week someone reversed into the side of my car, large damage up the side will need new door
Two independent witnesses and all caught on dash cam
I was sat inside the house so very easy case,
No investigation, told to take civil action over the phone
Very frustrating
However our local cops have just splashed out on a LGBT car, that seems to mainly go to gay pride marches and the like
I understand that there is a limited budget but the damage to my car would be a cut and dry case
What crime was committed?Two independent witnesses and all caught on dash cam
I was sat inside the house so very easy case,
No investigation, told to take civil action over the phone
Very frustrating
However our local cops have just splashed out on a LGBT car, that seems to mainly go to gay pride marches and the like
I understand that there is a limited budget but the damage to my car would be a cut and dry case
https://cartwrightking.co.uk/areas-of-practice/mot...
Cartwright King Solicitors said:
If you have been involved in a motoring accident, the law requires you to stop at the scene and exchange correct personal details with any person who has reasonable grounds to request them. If details are not exchanged you must report to the police as soon as reasonably practicable and in any event within 24 hours. Failing to stop at the scene of an accident involving injury or damage is an offence which carries a maximum penalty of 6 months imprisonment.
One passer by tried to stop them driving off. Very frustrating for me, out of pocket whatever happens now.
vixen1700 said:
Evolved said:
They’re all to busy manning ‘safety’ cameras in the back of vans. Give them a break, they’re there to protect and serve.
My nephew is a copper working in Tower Hamlets, and I can assure you that's not the case at all.f
k what he has to deal with each day for a game of soldiers!"being reported in the media" is probably a key part of it.
Army don't police, and quite rightly.
Crime isn't out of control, it's getting more and more difficult to manage though I think, a Royal Commission to re-assess what they do and how they do it may be a good idea including a holistic, joined-up thinking approach to deal with the non-crime jobs (mental/substance/feral) they deal with.
Army don't police, and quite rightly.
Crime isn't out of control, it's getting more and more difficult to manage though I think, a Royal Commission to re-assess what they do and how they do it may be a good idea including a holistic, joined-up thinking approach to deal with the non-crime jobs (mental/substance/feral) they deal with.
Got a call from the police last week. They had found my motorbike stolen from Dorking station nearly a year ago.
They gave me address in Croydon, said the area was not safe and to hurry as it wouldn’t be there for long.
Got there 40 minutes later and it was gone. Went to Croydon police station where I was told to report it stolen by ringing 101.
I was in the friggin police station and they couldn’t be bothered.
They had found the bike with false plates so obviously being used illegally. Shut and dried case if they had impounded it.
Fekin useless.
They gave me address in Croydon, said the area was not safe and to hurry as it wouldn’t be there for long.
Got there 40 minutes later and it was gone. Went to Croydon police station where I was told to report it stolen by ringing 101.
I was in the friggin police station and they couldn’t be bothered.
They had found the bike with false plates so obviously being used illegally. Shut and dried case if they had impounded it.
Fekin useless.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Simply, the Army are not Police and are not trained as such, nor do they have Civil Police powers.
While the Military may be asked to give 'Aid to the Civil Power', in terms of policing, it will always be Police led and rightly so.
Using Military Forces alone (and thus unaccountably) for Internal Security is a slippery slope toward Military Dictatorship, Juntas, and becoming a Banana Republic. Google: MRF in Northern Ireland.
And all that is before we consider the fact that the Army is currently grossly undermanned.
Very much this.While the Military may be asked to give 'Aid to the Civil Power', in terms of policing, it will always be Police led and rightly so.
Using Military Forces alone (and thus unaccountably) for Internal Security is a slippery slope toward Military Dictatorship, Juntas, and becoming a Banana Republic. Google: MRF in Northern Ireland.
And all that is before we consider the fact that the Army is currently grossly undermanned.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Wednesday 21st November 19:27
Soldiers don't want to do this anyway.
Employ a few more Bobbies and stop f
king about with all the politically correct stuff for a bit and crack down hard. Once that's been brought in hand, then feel free to ensure their nails are rainbow painted.Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff