Negotiating pay rise
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Right long story short I joined my current job June this year its a main dealer as a fully qualified vehicle technician it is the first main dealer/big employer I have worked for as Ive always worked for independent garages since my apprenticeship. The pay is not outstanding but better than what I was on with overtime and bonuses if we hit target normal take home £1900 per month after deductions but that's about 40 hrs of additional overtime per month.
We work on 2 brands in the workshop one being French the other being Korean after 3 months working their was pulled in for a chat and decided I would be assigned to the Korean side happy days. At this time the company hired an apprentice and he was put with the master tech however due to his nature of work and work duties he ended up spending large parts of the day not doing much.
As im more general I end up doing servicing right up too engine rebuild and everything in between so after a chat between my line manager and the master tech ive been assigned the apprentice.
My issue is one ive not been assigned any official dealer training and haven't even been in contact with his training side of things so I could be teaching him completely wrong. Second comes down too pay, in my current contract there is nothing official about this so im at the same level as the other service techs. Considering the increase responsibility in teaching him atleast until the third year anyway do I have a case for a change of contract and increase in pay due too the extra responsibility.
Ive arranged a meeting with my boss after our team meeting this Friday and just want too get things in order and how I present myself. Even with a pay rise I could get another job in same trade on more money without the extra responsibility however that involves longer commute time traveling into my capital city which I want to avoid ideally.
Just after advice or tips really as this would be the first time ive had to do this.
We work on 2 brands in the workshop one being French the other being Korean after 3 months working their was pulled in for a chat and decided I would be assigned to the Korean side happy days. At this time the company hired an apprentice and he was put with the master tech however due to his nature of work and work duties he ended up spending large parts of the day not doing much.
As im more general I end up doing servicing right up too engine rebuild and everything in between so after a chat between my line manager and the master tech ive been assigned the apprentice.
My issue is one ive not been assigned any official dealer training and haven't even been in contact with his training side of things so I could be teaching him completely wrong. Second comes down too pay, in my current contract there is nothing official about this so im at the same level as the other service techs. Considering the increase responsibility in teaching him atleast until the third year anyway do I have a case for a change of contract and increase in pay due too the extra responsibility.
Ive arranged a meeting with my boss after our team meeting this Friday and just want too get things in order and how I present myself. Even with a pay rise I could get another job in same trade on more money without the extra responsibility however that involves longer commute time traveling into my capital city which I want to avoid ideally.
Just after advice or tips really as this would be the first time ive had to do this.
There will probably be a line in your contract somewhere that says something along the lines of..."and other duties than may be reasonably required of the position'. Taking an apprentice under your wing might be argued as falling within this caveat.
However, if in training the apprentice you are working less on billable work and this is having an impact on your take-home then it is reasonable to flag this up and talk about some form of equitable compensation so at least you are no worse off.
Don't go in all union-like, though. You're only five months in remember.
However, if in training the apprentice you are working less on billable work and this is having an impact on your take-home then it is reasonable to flag this up and talk about some form of equitable compensation so at least you are no worse off.
Don't go in all union-like, though. You're only five months in remember.
Try and put as much positive spin as you can on your conversation.
List out all of the positive benefits that have been gained, both by you, the apprentice, and the business, by performing all of these additional duties.
The aim is to give you boss as few opportunities as possible to turn down any reasonable request for an increase.
AS the other poster has said, dont go in all guns blazing
Sell yourself as being a benefit to the company, and how much more could be gained by keeping you onboard as an asset.
List out all of the positive benefits that have been gained, both by you, the apprentice, and the business, by performing all of these additional duties.
The aim is to give you boss as few opportunities as possible to turn down any reasonable request for an increase.
AS the other poster has said, dont go in all guns blazing
Sell yourself as being a benefit to the company, and how much more could be gained by keeping you onboard as an asset.Firstly, I'd see the extra responsibility as a good thing in itself.
They obviously trust you to do the extra stuff so I would continue to show willingness. Possibly in the meeting ask for guidelines on the training of the apprentice and if you want to talk about a raise then phrase it as the fact that you are happy to take on the extra responsibility and would like to understand what that means longer term with regards to advancement and remuneration.
If it were me, I would not expect an increase in salary after such a short time but I would use the extra responsibility as a way of proving your worth over the next 6/12/18 months leading to a pay increase based on the discussions in your meeting as outlined above.
I'm not one to lecture on spelling but you might want to ensure you use 'too' and 'to' correctly - might be helpful in any written communications with your management when going for that pay increase.
They obviously trust you to do the extra stuff so I would continue to show willingness. Possibly in the meeting ask for guidelines on the training of the apprentice and if you want to talk about a raise then phrase it as the fact that you are happy to take on the extra responsibility and would like to understand what that means longer term with regards to advancement and remuneration.
If it were me, I would not expect an increase in salary after such a short time but I would use the extra responsibility as a way of proving your worth over the next 6/12/18 months leading to a pay increase based on the discussions in your meeting as outlined above.
I'm not one to lecture on spelling but you might want to ensure you use 'too' and 'to' correctly - might be helpful in any written communications with your management when going for that pay increase.
garyhun said:
Possibly in the meeting ask for guidelines on the training of the apprentice and if you want to talk about a raise then phrase it as the fact that you are happy to take on the extra responsibility and would like to understand what that means longer term with regards to advancement and remuneration.
This.That they are giving the apprentice to you says good things, and don't become pushy or they may re-evaluate why they like you.
Take it gently and slowly - as other posters have said, you have not been there long.
I have been an apprentice in a main dealer myself and also mentored other apprentices (no longer in the trade).
I would suggest having a chat with you line manager along the lines of "Thank you for the responsibility of putting (apprentice name) with me for mentoring. I remember being in his shoes once and it is nice to be able to pass on the knowledge I have gained. One thing that concerns me though is that whilst he/she is learning the ropes it is much harder for me to meet my productivity targets if I am having to stop to explain things and let (apprentice name) have a go at things. I am concerned that by taking on this extra responsibility that I will actually end up financially worse off in the short term. I would like to talk with you about an increase in my basic wage and a slight reduction in my productivity target in order to reflect this. Also I feel that in order to pass on the most recent and up to date knowledge it would be good to get a manufacturer training path in place for me aswell as (apprentice name)."
I would suggest having a chat with you line manager along the lines of "Thank you for the responsibility of putting (apprentice name) with me for mentoring. I remember being in his shoes once and it is nice to be able to pass on the knowledge I have gained. One thing that concerns me though is that whilst he/she is learning the ropes it is much harder for me to meet my productivity targets if I am having to stop to explain things and let (apprentice name) have a go at things. I am concerned that by taking on this extra responsibility that I will actually end up financially worse off in the short term. I would like to talk with you about an increase in my basic wage and a slight reduction in my productivity target in order to reflect this. Also I feel that in order to pass on the most recent and up to date knowledge it would be good to get a manufacturer training path in place for me aswell as (apprentice name)."
Nick_13 said:
I have been an apprentice in a main dealer myself and also mentored other apprentices (no longer in the trade).
I would suggest having a chat with you line manager along the lines of "Thank you for the responsibility of putting (apprentice name) with me for mentoring. I remember being in his shoes once and it is nice to be able to pass on the knowledge I have gained. One thing that concerns me though is that whilst he/she is learning the ropes it is much harder for me to meet my productivity targets if I am having to stop to explain things and let (apprentice name) have a go at things. I am concerned that by taking on this extra responsibility that I will actually end up financially worse off in the short term. I would like to talk with you about an increase in my basic wage and a slight reduction in my productivity target in order to reflect this. Also I feel that in order to pass on the most recent and up to date knowledge it would be good to get a manufacturer training path in place for me aswell as (apprentice name)."
This.I would suggest having a chat with you line manager along the lines of "Thank you for the responsibility of putting (apprentice name) with me for mentoring. I remember being in his shoes once and it is nice to be able to pass on the knowledge I have gained. One thing that concerns me though is that whilst he/she is learning the ropes it is much harder for me to meet my productivity targets if I am having to stop to explain things and let (apprentice name) have a go at things. I am concerned that by taking on this extra responsibility that I will actually end up financially worse off in the short term. I would like to talk with you about an increase in my basic wage and a slight reduction in my productivity target in order to reflect this. Also I feel that in order to pass on the most recent and up to date knowledge it would be good to get a manufacturer training path in place for me aswell as (apprentice name)."
Well had my conversation planned out and was all ready and things went from average to bad to worse pretty quickly and in the end didn't have the meeting.
First of all the planned group meeting first thing in the morning never happened as nobody/ only a few people got told so that never happened with that I thought best not too push it. Then a few rather important looking one to one from my line manager too my general manager and the 2 big bosses at that point I knew my chat wouldn't happen. All went on lunch Friday kfc treat as one of the master techs was leaving that day (which makes 12 gone in the workshop this year) and the senior service advisor lovely guy and one of the few people there who actually appreciates us walked up stairs to shake all our hands as he was fired on the spot as they couldn't afford him. Killed the feeling completely in the workshop and the worse thing is the guy hasn't even had chance to bury his brother who passed away last week.
The apprentice is in college next week and im only in for 2 days so think its best for another week.
Appreciate all the advice oh as for pay im on less than £12 per hour which with that and other issues really making me think if its worth jumping ship to a different dealership.
First of all the planned group meeting first thing in the morning never happened as nobody/ only a few people got told so that never happened with that I thought best not too push it. Then a few rather important looking one to one from my line manager too my general manager and the 2 big bosses at that point I knew my chat wouldn't happen. All went on lunch Friday kfc treat as one of the master techs was leaving that day (which makes 12 gone in the workshop this year) and the senior service advisor lovely guy and one of the few people there who actually appreciates us walked up stairs to shake all our hands as he was fired on the spot as they couldn't afford him. Killed the feeling completely in the workshop and the worse thing is the guy hasn't even had chance to bury his brother who passed away last week.
The apprentice is in college next week and im only in for 2 days so think its best for another week.
Appreciate all the advice oh as for pay im on less than £12 per hour which with that and other issues really making me think if its worth jumping ship to a different dealership.
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