Well at least he wasn't speeding!
Well at least he wasn't speeding!
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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

speedking31

3,923 posts

166 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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BBC said:
Giant Christmas tree on van stumps police.
Lost fir words
, not sure if serious?

Edited by speedking31 on Wednesday 5th December 17:49

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

291 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Struggling to see what is 'shocking' about this.

I'm also struggling to see (apart from perhaps loading the tree further forward) what is wrong with this.

Providing the load is properly secured and overhangs are marked, and the driver's vision is not impaired, what law is being broken? Apart from vehicle loading limits perhaps?

markjmd

563 posts

98 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Tyre Smoke said:
Struggling to see what is 'shocking' about this.

I'm also struggling to see (apart from perhaps loading the tree further forward) what is wrong with this.

Providing the load is properly secured and overhangs are marked, and the driver's vision is not impaired, what law is being broken? Apart from vehicle loading limits perhaps?
Be honest, what's the likelihood that the geniuses who came up with this are even capable of checking that such a load is properly secured? wink

martinbiz

3,699 posts

175 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Tyre Smoke said:
Struggling to see what is 'shocking' about this.

I'm also struggling to see (apart from perhaps loading the tree further forward) what is wrong with this.

Providing the load is properly secured and overhangs are marked, and the driver's vision is not impaired, what law is being broken? Apart from vehicle loading limits perhaps?
Are you actually serious!

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

291 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Yes, as I have stated before, as long as no law is being broken, what is wrong with this?

Monkeylegend

29,258 posts

261 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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And maybe the difficulty in seeing his brake lights if you could see them at all.

Imagine the insurance claim, "I was driving behind a christmas tree which had no brake lights and it stopped suddenly, and I didn't until I hit it"

KAgantua

5,183 posts

161 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I imagine the van driver had the needle at the delivery cost of the tree, and decided to take it home himself.

QuickQuack

2,816 posts

131 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Monkeylegend said:
And maybe the difficulty in seeing his brake lights if you could see them at all.

Imagine the insurance claim, "I was driving behind a christmas tree which had no brake lights and it stopped suddenly, and I didn't until I hit it"
Indeed, and given that the tree is spilling over the sides of the van, his wing mirrors will be full of tree rather than other vehicles he should be able to see. Caravanners use mirror extensions to overcome this but I don’t see anything on the van. Then there’s the huge change to the driving characteristics of the van given the ridiculous load. The sheer size of the tree will make it much more vulnerable to side winds and the weight of it so high up will raise its centre of gravity, again making it more vulnerable to side winds but also flipping sideways when going round a bend as the van’s suspension and side profile will be well outside their design parameters.

Tyre Smoke said:
Yes, as I have stated before, as long as no law is being broken, what is wrong with this?
I think you will find that the law IS being broken. The bits of legislation all loads must comply with whether trade or private individuals are The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, regulation 100 and The Road Traffic Act 1988, section 40a. Look them up. They are short but in essence, the loads must be properly secure, not cause any hazards to anyone and not alter the driving characteristics of the vehicle massively.

Hold on. This was caught by Devon and Cornwall police.

Tyre Smoke is in Devon.

idea

The driver was Tyre Smoke!





Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

291 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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rofl

No, t'wasn't me!

I understand the C+U regs, but providing that tree was loaded and secured correctly, still failing to see what law has been broken?

I appreciate it is far back and not loaded correctly, and the weight on the roof rack may well be exceeded, but if it was positioned further forward and no vision impairment, where's the problem?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Tyre Smoke said:
Struggling to see what is 'shocking' about this.
Everything is "shocking" these days according to the media and those who want to spend their life outraged!

sospan

2,755 posts

252 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I bet that tree exceeds the load limit for his roof rack I think I see one on the van. If not then definitely insecure load.
It reminds me of the photos from India etc of people carrying massive loads on small motorbikes.
What a total idiot the driver is.


Cold

16,708 posts

120 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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sospan said:
What a total idiot the driver is.
Yep, he should taken the back roads home. Much less chance of being photographed then.

Chrisgr31

14,276 posts

285 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Had the tree been wrapped so the branches were contained it may have been legal to carry it on the roof.

caelite

4,282 posts

142 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Cold said:
sospan said:
What a total idiot the driver is.
Yep, he should taken the back roads home. Much less chance of being photographed then.
This, any self respecting professional driver knows the exact route to take when they are overladen, incorrectly loaded, or otherwise in violation of C&U regs.

Then again, it is a VW Transporter, so could be one of those 'lifestyle' types rather than someone who works for a living. biggrin

QuickQuack

2,816 posts

131 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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Tyre Smoke said:
rofl

No, t'wasn't me!

I understand the C+U regs, but providing that tree was loaded and secured correctly, still failing to see what law has been broken?

I appreciate it is far back and not loaded correctly, and the weight on the roof rack may well be exceeded, but if it was positioned further forward and no vision impairment, where's the problem?
Glad you found it funny! beer

I actually agree with you on your final point: if the driver had loaded the tree in such a way that it wasn't blocking all of his rear lights including brake and position lights, it wasn't impeding his view by blocking the areas covered by the wing mirrors with the branches flapping everywhere, and using an appropriate roof carriage system with secure straps or other fastening methods, there wouldn't have been a problem, even if he had exceeded the roof weight limit. The size of the tree does make it a comical spectacle, but that's not the real issue; the real issue is that the tree isn't securely loaded. The C&U regs, as any other regulations, are statutory instruments meaning that, for all intents and purposes, they are the law. Therefore not complying with them is breaking the law. I suspect someone with legal qualifications can explain that better (or possibly might make that simple explanation totally incomprehensible). I don't deal with C&U Regs but I am responsible for the compliance of my company with Human Medicines Regulations 2012 which is a similar statutory instrument. If we don't comply, we would be breaking the law and could land in jail. You don't have the risk of jail if you don't break the law.

Having said all that, if the driver had loaded the tree securely, it wouldn't have given us something to laugh at... hehe

gareth_r

6,751 posts

267 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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That's fircone ridiculous!

Monkeylegend

29,258 posts

261 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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gareth_r said:
That's fircone ridiculous!
Made me laugh