Valkryie Engine
Discussion
Henry Catchpole on the same subject: https://youtu.be/pk8ZrN__nmA
Absolutely essential viewing.
Amazing and exhilarating, but at the same time SO depressing. Why, oh why are AM not teaming up with someone like Cosworth UK to develop ALL engines for the latest AM range. Yes, I know, it all comes down to ££s , but when there is this level of incredible expertise within these shores, is it not tragic that they are not utilised instead of using Mercedes? For me personally, the AM brand loses a HUGE amount of credibility by not developing its own engines.
Absolutely essential viewing.
Amazing and exhilarating, but at the same time SO depressing. Why, oh why are AM not teaming up with someone like Cosworth UK to develop ALL engines for the latest AM range. Yes, I know, it all comes down to ££s , but when there is this level of incredible expertise within these shores, is it not tragic that they are not utilised instead of using Mercedes? For me personally, the AM brand loses a HUGE amount of credibility by not developing its own engines.
Edited by Lawts0908 on Thursday 13th December 20:25
Lawts0908 said:
Henry Catchpole on the same subject: https://youtu.be/pk8ZrN__nmA
Absolutely essential viewing.
Amazing and exhilarating, but at the same time SO depressing. Why, oh why are AM not teaming up with someone like Cosworth UK to develop ALL engines for the latest AM range. Yes, I know, it all comes down to ££s , but when there is this level of incredible expertise within these shores, is it not tragic that they are not utilised instead of using Mercedes? For me personally, the AM brand loses a HUGE amount of credibility by not developing its own engines.
Just imagine half this engine, NA 6 with 500 PS, should be in the new VantageAbsolutely essential viewing.
Amazing and exhilarating, but at the same time SO depressing. Why, oh why are AM not teaming up with someone like Cosworth UK to develop ALL engines for the latest AM range. Yes, I know, it all comes down to ££s , but when there is this level of incredible expertise within these shores, is it not tragic that they are not utilised instead of using Mercedes? For me personally, the AM brand loses a HUGE amount of credibility by not developing its own engines.
Edited by Lawts0908 on Thursday 13th December 20:25
nn7man said:
Lawts0908 said:
Henry Catchpole on the same subject: https://youtu.be/pk8ZrN__nmA
Absolutely essential viewing.
Amazing and exhilarating, but at the same time SO depressing. Why, oh why are AM not teaming up with someone like Cosworth UK to develop ALL engines for the latest AM range. Yes, I know, it all comes down to ££s , but when there is this level of incredible expertise within these shores, is it not tragic that they are not utilised instead of using Mercedes? For me personally, the AM brand loses a HUGE amount of credibility by not developing its own engines.
Just imagine half this engine, NA 6 with 500 PS, should be in the new VantageAbsolutely essential viewing.
Amazing and exhilarating, but at the same time SO depressing. Why, oh why are AM not teaming up with someone like Cosworth UK to develop ALL engines for the latest AM range. Yes, I know, it all comes down to ££s , but when there is this level of incredible expertise within these shores, is it not tragic that they are not utilised instead of using Mercedes? For me personally, the AM brand loses a HUGE amount of credibility by not developing its own engines.
Edited by Lawts0908 on Thursday 13th December 20:25
I'm not sure with the extra weight in the Vantage, the lack of torque would make a scaled down version of the Valkyrie engine viable. That and it's quite highly strung (hence the relatively short life cycle before it needs rebuilding). I'd imagine though, that if the partnership with Cosworth is successful on the Valkyrie, it might lead to further ventures - the obvious choice being the power plant for the MR Vanquish, which is said to be not carrying the AMG 4.0 V8.
hashluck said:
That's good news, because it might alleviate some of the complaints about lack of in-house development, but while it's the perfect modern rendition of Aston's heritage (I6 being used in the marques most iconic models), you can be sure there'll be complaints about it not being a V8 or V12. Fortunately the AM31 is an oustanding engine to begin with. Less weight, some hybrid assistance - job's a good'un. That's really positive news. Aston must know that its own engines add value and desirability, and to go to a straight six hybrid makes sense given market pressures.
Not sure what it willl do to re-sale values of the current AMG cars ( vantage particularly). Do you want the Aston engine sir or the one from the Mercedes?
I don't think a six is a problem, as you say its got real heritage with the brand, and the electric support could give a razor sharp throttle response with lots of torque.
I'm also happy to plug in. I have an i3 and its not really an issue for me plugging in each day, just get into the routine.
Not sure what it willl do to re-sale values of the current AMG cars ( vantage particularly). Do you want the Aston engine sir or the one from the Mercedes?
I don't think a six is a problem, as you say its got real heritage with the brand, and the electric support could give a razor sharp throttle response with lots of torque.
I'm also happy to plug in. I have an i3 and its not really an issue for me plugging in each day, just get into the routine.
Just love the Cosworth built engine and video. Nice one Catchpole. However, I feel really sad for Aston Martin right now. So much brand confusion.
The up side, Cosworth developing and engineering a beautiful power lump for the flagship Aston Martin.
The down side which creates real brand confusion is the Aston Martin tie up with Red Bull F1. This past season with Renault engine, next year with Honda engine. Current engine supplier for Aston road car, Mercedes and Cosworth. Then a possible new engine for road cars.
That would never happen at Ferrari.
Am I alone with this ?
The up side, Cosworth developing and engineering a beautiful power lump for the flagship Aston Martin.
The down side which creates real brand confusion is the Aston Martin tie up with Red Bull F1. This past season with Renault engine, next year with Honda engine. Current engine supplier for Aston road car, Mercedes and Cosworth. Then a possible new engine for road cars.
That would never happen at Ferrari.
Am I alone with this ?
Jon39 said:
The engine in your own Aston Martin Ian, was originally Jaguar, then modified by Cosworth, and built by Ford.
I think the Jaguar version was eventually available with two superchargers.
My point is, since then, the Aston Martin brand message is being communicated across a very confusing platform. Far too many different car manufacture links, Mercedes, they have their own Formula one team, Aston Martin sponsorship right across Red Bull with Renault engine, then Honda engine.
At least with the early Ford ownership there was a constant Aston Martin brand message.
3rtt said:
I agree and don't have an issue with that.
My point is, since then, the Aston Martin brand message is being communicated across a very confusing platform. Far too many different car manufacture links, Mercedes, they have their own Formula one team, Aston Martin sponsorship right across Red Bull with Renault engine, then Honda engine.
At least with the early Ford ownership there was a constant Aston Martin brand message.
My point is, since then, the Aston Martin brand message is being communicated across a very confusing platform. Far too many different car manufacture links, Mercedes, they have their own Formula one team, Aston Martin sponsorship right across Red Bull with Renault engine, then Honda engine.
At least with the early Ford ownership there was a constant Aston Martin brand message.
Yes, I followed the point you were making, and they are fairly inconsistent relationships.
I guess that the reason for their name being prominent on an F1 car, is purely for the name to be seen by a huge number of people around the world. Perhaps many people who do see the name, may not even know about the engine aspect. With F1 now, it is difficult enough to identify which driver is in a particular car shown on TV.
I thought about a sequence of events, without which there might never have been a Valkyrie.
1. Infinity sponsor Red Bull (Andy Palmer)
2. Andy Palmer joins Aston Martin
3. Andy Palmer continues his close relationship with Red Bull management.
4. Adrian Newry has for a long time spoken about his longing to create the ultimate performance road car.
5. The deal is agreed.
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