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About 5 months ago I got nicked by a camera on the M1 driving back from getting a full rev 3 turbo conversion done to my MR2.
A week later I get a nip through the post, not recorded.
Half asleep with my morning coffee I stupidly admitted I was driving, I know, I know. Should have just binned it, Anyway.
Yesterday I get a letter from Bradford cops saying I will be getting a summons to appear in court, I was supposedly doing 96 mph on a bone dry straight stretch of motorway, excellent visibility, zero traffic, 18:00 in the evening blah blah......
However the new turbo dash speedo was jumping between approximately 65-85 odds non stop, I have two written reports stating this fault with the speedometer which is obviously now fixed.
Now "Due to the speed I was allegedly doing, it cannot be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty notice"
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
I need my car for work and have had a clean licence for 10 years.
Any constructive advice and opinions welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
A week later I get a nip through the post, not recorded.
Half asleep with my morning coffee I stupidly admitted I was driving, I know, I know. Should have just binned it, Anyway.
Yesterday I get a letter from Bradford cops saying I will be getting a summons to appear in court, I was supposedly doing 96 mph on a bone dry straight stretch of motorway, excellent visibility, zero traffic, 18:00 in the evening blah blah......
However the new turbo dash speedo was jumping between approximately 65-85 odds non stop, I have two written reports stating this fault with the speedometer which is obviously now fixed.
Now "Due to the speed I was allegedly doing, it cannot be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty notice"
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
I need my car for work and have had a clean licence for 10 years.
Any constructive advice and opinions welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
BALDYMONSTER said:
About 5 months ago I got nicked by a camera on the M1 driving back from getting a full rev 3 turbo conversion done to my MR2.
A week later I get a nip through the post, not recorded.
Half asleep with my morning coffee I stupidly admitted I was driving, I know, I know. Should have just binned it, Anyway.
Yesterday I get a letter from Bradford cops saying I will be getting a summons to appear in court, I was supposedly doing 96 mph on a bone dry straight stretch of motorway, excellent visibility, zero traffic, 18:00 in the evening blah blah......
However the new turbo dash speedo was jumping between approximately 65-85 odds non stop, I have two written reports stating this fault with the speedometer which is obviously now fixed.
Now "Due to the speed I was allegedly doing, it cannot be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty notice"
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
I need my car for work and have had a clean licence for 10 years.
Any constructive advice and opinions welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
- Binning it would have a stupid move, you did the right thing by not doing so.A week later I get a nip through the post, not recorded.
Half asleep with my morning coffee I stupidly admitted I was driving, I know, I know. Should have just binned it, Anyway.
Yesterday I get a letter from Bradford cops saying I will be getting a summons to appear in court, I was supposedly doing 96 mph on a bone dry straight stretch of motorway, excellent visibility, zero traffic, 18:00 in the evening blah blah......
However the new turbo dash speedo was jumping between approximately 65-85 odds non stop, I have two written reports stating this fault with the speedometer which is obviously now fixed.
Now "Due to the speed I was allegedly doing, it cannot be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty notice"
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
I need my car for work and have had a clean licence for 10 years.
Any constructive advice and opinions welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
- If you were driving then the stupid thing would have been to pretend someone else was driving.
- The weather conditions, visibility and amount of traffic are not mitigation for breaking the speed limit.
- You knew that your speedo was faulty, it would have been much safer to drive under the speed limit (ie. the same or slower than the average motorist on the road at the time), I can’t see your broken car being accepted as mitigation for breaking the speed limit.
Try to get evidence that your licence is essential for job, go to court, be humble.
BALDYMONSTER said:
About 5 months ago I got nicked by a camera on the M1 driving back from getting a full rev 3 turbo conversion done to my MR2.
A week later I get a nip through the post, not recorded.
Half asleep with my morning coffee I stupidly admitted I was driving, I know, I know. Should have just binned it, Anyway.
Yesterday I get a letter from Bradford cops saying I will be getting a summons to appear in court, I was supposedly doing 96 mph on a bone dry straight stretch of motorway, excellent visibility, zero traffic, 18:00 in the evening blah blah......
However the new turbo dash speedo was jumping between approximately 65-85 odds non stop, I have two written reports stating this fault with the speedometer which is obviously now fixed.
Now "Due to the speed I was allegedly doing, it cannot be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty notice"
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
I need my car for work and have had a clean licence for 10 years.
Any constructive advice and opinions welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
So many A week later I get a nip through the post, not recorded.
Half asleep with my morning coffee I stupidly admitted I was driving, I know, I know. Should have just binned it, Anyway.
Yesterday I get a letter from Bradford cops saying I will be getting a summons to appear in court, I was supposedly doing 96 mph on a bone dry straight stretch of motorway, excellent visibility, zero traffic, 18:00 in the evening blah blah......
However the new turbo dash speedo was jumping between approximately 65-85 odds non stop, I have two written reports stating this fault with the speedometer which is obviously now fixed.
Now "Due to the speed I was allegedly doing, it cannot be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty notice"
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
I need my car for work and have had a clean licence for 10 years.
Any constructive advice and opinions welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
in this post, your car had a fault you knew about and you think this is a get out for a speeding ticket? Have another You have a very strong case with the speedo argument and should definitely stand your ground until they give you suitable compensation in the form of an exemption from income tax for the rest of your life. Perhaps even a personal apology from Lord Lucan or Elvis.
Don't forget to point out that you were actually driving and speeding at the time, as dishonesty is wrong.
Don't forget to point out that you were actually driving and speeding at the time, as dishonesty is wrong.
BALDYMONSTER said:
About 5 months ago I got nicked by a camera on the M1 driving back from getting a full rev 3 turbo conversion done to my MR2.
A week later I get a nip through the post, not recorded.
Half asleep with my morning coffee I stupidly admitted I was driving, I know, I know. Should have just binned it, Anyway.
Yesterday I get a letter from Bradford cops saying I will be getting a summons to appear in court, I was supposedly doing 96 mph on a bone dry straight stretch of motorway, excellent visibility, zero traffic, 18:00 in the evening blah blah......
However the new turbo dash speedo was jumping between approximately 65-85 odds non stop, I have two written reports stating this fault with the speedometer which is obviously now fixed.
Now "Due to the speed I was allegedly doing, it cannot be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty notice"
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
I need my car for work and have had a clean licence for 10 years.
Any constructive advice and opinions welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
Get a grip, accept the 6 points plus fine you will undoubtedly be awarded by the Magistrate (unless you fail the attitude test, which seems likely), then get on with your life.A week later I get a nip through the post, not recorded.
Half asleep with my morning coffee I stupidly admitted I was driving, I know, I know. Should have just binned it, Anyway.
Yesterday I get a letter from Bradford cops saying I will be getting a summons to appear in court, I was supposedly doing 96 mph on a bone dry straight stretch of motorway, excellent visibility, zero traffic, 18:00 in the evening blah blah......
However the new turbo dash speedo was jumping between approximately 65-85 odds non stop, I have two written reports stating this fault with the speedometer which is obviously now fixed.
Now "Due to the speed I was allegedly doing, it cannot be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty notice"
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
I need my car for work and have had a clean licence for 10 years.
Any constructive advice and opinions welcomed.
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
Mandalore said:
You have a very strong case with the speedo argument and should definitely stand your ground until they give you suitable compensation in the form of an exemption from income tax for the rest of your life. Perhaps even a personal apology from Lord Lucan or Elvis.
Don't forget to point out that you were actually driving and speeding at the time, as dishonesty is wrong.
Surely his best defence is that he failed to bin the NIP? If he’d done that they’d never have got him in the first place.......Don't forget to point out that you were actually driving and speeding at the time, as dishonesty is wrong.
Go for it.
Be sure to mention the turbo conversion so the cops can check your insurance is all in order.
But yeah, Magistrates love hearing about vehicle defects.
They might even add it to the speeding charge if you're lucky, especially as you've offerd a full and frank admission and are willing to provide written evidence (presumably from experts in the field) to confirm it was f
ked.
Good thinking Batman.
PS if you're not a troll you are very, very stupid.
Be sure to mention the turbo conversion so the cops can check your insurance is all in order.
But yeah, Magistrates love hearing about vehicle defects.
They might even add it to the speeding charge if you're lucky, especially as you've offerd a full and frank admission and are willing to provide written evidence (presumably from experts in the field) to confirm it was f
ked.Good thinking Batman.
PS if you're not a troll you are very, very stupid.
BALDYMONSTER said:
Does anyone think I may have a chance of using the proof of the faulty speedo as some sort of mitigating circumstances?
No.Speeding is an "absolute offence". That means that it doesn't matter if you genuinely believed you were under the speed limit - the fact that you were above the limit means you were speeding.
I once bought a new car and a couple of weeks later I was recorded in Northampton at 46 mph in a 30 limit.
It was a new type electronic speedo (this was in 1980) and I noticed that the speedo reading seemed to be under-reading when accelerating, then would 'catch up' and over-read when slowing down.
This I reported to the supplying dealer who checked it. Then I received a letter from the dealer apologising for the incorrect reading and confirmed that they had ordered a replacement speedo unit, followed by a letter from the manufacturer with details of the under-reading confirming a 15 mph error with a further apology.
At the court I took my solicitor who advised me to plead guilt with mitigation.
I received a small fine and no points.
So, yes, a proved to be incorrect speedo won't establish you not guilty, but can be a mitigating factor in sentencing.
It was a new type electronic speedo (this was in 1980) and I noticed that the speedo reading seemed to be under-reading when accelerating, then would 'catch up' and over-read when slowing down.
This I reported to the supplying dealer who checked it. Then I received a letter from the dealer apologising for the incorrect reading and confirmed that they had ordered a replacement speedo unit, followed by a letter from the manufacturer with details of the under-reading confirming a 15 mph error with a further apology.
At the court I took my solicitor who advised me to plead guilt with mitigation.
I received a small fine and no points.
So, yes, a proved to be incorrect speedo won't establish you not guilty, but can be a mitigating factor in sentencing.
Coopperman is the only comment above that isn't a guess.
I was involved in a case where a similar fault to the one you describe was advanced as mitigation. The magistrates bought it, found the chap guilty and awarde a fine of £0.00, Victim Surcharge of £0.00 and 0 points.
Binning the ticket could have got you 12 points, 6 for the speed and 6 for failing to comply with the s172 notice to ID the driver. It would have saved you some fuel for 6 months though. Every cloud has a silver lining as they say.
Advancing your faulty speedo may or may not work, its probably an 80/20 Not Any Use/Useful but no harm in advancing it except admitting using a faulty car.
I was involved in a case where a similar fault to the one you describe was advanced as mitigation. The magistrates bought it, found the chap guilty and awarde a fine of £0.00, Victim Surcharge of £0.00 and 0 points.
Binning the ticket could have got you 12 points, 6 for the speed and 6 for failing to comply with the s172 notice to ID the driver. It would have saved you some fuel for 6 months though. Every cloud has a silver lining as they say.
Advancing your faulty speedo may or may not work, its probably an 80/20 Not Any Use/Useful but no harm in advancing it except admitting using a faulty car.
Well thanks to the odd genuinely decent responses and the usual online personas giving it the big'un from the safety of the net.
However, I perhaps should have pointed out that the speedo was working fine initially and began to play silly buggers.
And yes obviously my attitude must be terrible and I couldn't possibly be intelligent at all due to my profile pic.
And yes I'm well aware of speeding being "an absolute offence", you learn that when you study law.
However, I perhaps should have pointed out that the speedo was working fine initially and began to play silly buggers.
And yes obviously my attitude must be terrible and I couldn't possibly be intelligent at all due to my profile pic.
And yes I'm well aware of speeding being "an absolute offence", you learn that when you study law.
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