Poice Pursuits and Training
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Police Magazine said:
Police pursuits can involve high-speed chases which sometimes end in tragedy when an innocent person gets killed. This is why the Federation believe that training police pursuit drivers should be a priority and ACPO themselves have admitted that forces not enforcing national standards are a matter of ‘grave concern’. Police magazine looks exclusively at research carried out by the Federation which reveals a disturbing lack of commitment from some forces to train their police drivers properly. Syreeta Lund reports.
When a police officer follows a suspect in a high speed pursuit the results can sometimes end in tragedy. Newspapers have recently reported on a number of cases where innocent lives have been taken as a result of police pursuits. The Federation survey has looked at a whole raft of training issues, including the training of the drivers used in pursuits, whether the police vehicles used were double-crewed, as this allows the driver to concentrate on the pursuit rather than any other distractions and the training of control room staff, who often make crucial decisions over whether a pursuit should continue or be stopped.
Out of the 43 forces across England and Wales, 33 answered the survey, a high response rate of 77 per cent. The Police Complaints Authority (PCA), the precursor to the IPCC, voiced their concerns over the issue of police pursuits back in 2002 following an increase in the number of voluntary referrals in relation to pursuit-related deaths from forces. The figure had risen from nine in 1997 to 1998 up to 44 in 2001 to 2002. There were 31 pursuit deaths recorded by the PCA for 2002 to 2003, and the latest figures are likely to come out post-election, after this edition goes to press.
Now Nick Hardwick, chairman of the Independent Police Complaints Commission, has called for a review of driving standards. Mr Hardwick has expressed his fears, saying that forces need to look at the lessons that can be learned when a death is associated with a police pursuit in order to save lives in the future. Yet, despite increasing concern over the number of deaths, more than three quarters of forces with a Force Safety Committee who responded to the Federation’s survey said that the committee does not investigate police vehicle accidents. These committees could investigate the lessons learned from such incidents and try to prevent potential tragedies from happening in the future. More than a third, 35 per cent, of forces said they had no training process to ‘learn’ from police vehicle accidents.
Alan Jones, the Federation’s lead on road policing issues who spent 18 years in roads policing as a constable, sergeant and inspector, says: ‘The facts are quite clear, at the moment driver training is all over the place. Some forces are excellent but some are extremely poor and do not adhere to the national standards, that’s not good for safety.’ Mr Hardwick also stated that a review of guidelines covering high-speed pursuits needs to take place, possibly looking at training.
The Federation survey also found a huge variation in the length of training given to police drivers. According to the ACPO Police Driver Training Manual, advanced drivers should usually have a minimum of four weeks training plus an extra week for a module on tactical pursuits, a standard driver would undergo an
average of three weeks training plus three days for an additional pursuit module. Basic grade drivers are not trained at all in pursuit driving.
Federation research found huge variation, a standard course in driver training can be as little as 13 days or up to five weeks, advanced drivers are likely to
undergo anything from 19 days training to five weeks training. The most frequently mentioned length of course for basic driver training is just one day.
The survey found that although the majority of forces used advanced drivers, nearly a quarter also used standard trained drivers. Three per cent of the forces
had actually used officers with only basic training to carry out pursuits; something the national ACPO Police Driver Training Manual recommends does not take place.
Richard Brunstrom, ACPO lead on Roads Policing and chief constable of North Wales Police, says: ‘Basic grade drivers are not trained in response driving at all, and should not be driving under such conditions.’
John Giblin, secretary of the Federation’s promotion and training sub-committee, involved in compiling the research, warns of the consequences of sending out
police drivers on pursuits when they have not been given the proper training to do so safely. ‘A vehicle can be a weapon. Putting a car in the hands of someone
who has not been given the skills and ability they need – it becomes a weapon and who is held to account over this? It ends up being the officer involved in
fatal collisions not the managers responsible for failing to equip them with the right tools. ‘We are asking that the movers and shakers, the chief officers,
deliver a national standard of training. They are responsible for those officers and, ultimately, should take some of the responsibility when things go wrong and
lives are taken.’
Around 40 per cent of those questioned said that their force use single crews always or mostly during police pursuits, despite a recommendation by ACPO that
double crews should be used where available. Guidelines for the Management of Police Pursuits 2004, designed to reduce police pursuit related fatalities, states:
“where double-crewed vehicles are available they should be used...since…this allows the police driver to concentrate on their driving and tactic development and for radio operators to deliver the information required to other participants
and control rooms by verbal commentary”.
Other forms of training, which could help to cut down the risk of deaths associated with police pursuits, relate to the different methods now available to stop vehicles in their tracks, without dangerous high-speed pursuits. Stingers are one such method and are a device which can be thrown across the path of an
oncoming car which punctures the tyres and stops the vehicle. Yet, nearly six in ten forces only train drivers in these kinds of methods. Controllers, who can often make the crucial decision of whether to continue a pursuit, are not likely to be given the training. Only 21 per cent of those surveyed said that control room operators were trained in using ‘stoppers’. ‘The operators are making crucial
decisions about pursuits. If they have not had the right training there is going to be a lack of consistency when it comes to making decisions, and that can mean more potential for fatalities’ says Mr Giblin.
This is despite the fact the Federation survey found that 84 per cent of control room operators ‘always’ or ‘often’ make a decision as to whether or not to continue a pursuit. More than half of those forces questioned in the survey do
not provide access to refresher training for operators. The trend also extends to pursuit drivers, with nearly a third, 29 per cent, of forces providing neither
assessments nor refreshers.
Mr Giblin says the majority of police drivers will have only undergone standard training and that any training on top of this is often regarded as an abstraction
by chief officers in some forces, something Mr Giblin argues is not acceptable.
‘Those who have not been in the job long will have just undergone training but there are officers who will not have had any refresher training for 20 to 30
years. This is a ridiculous situation when concern over safety for both officers and the public should be paramount.’
Mr Brunstrom says that the ACPO National Police Driver Training Conference, who oversee all police driver training matters on behalf of all forces, produce and
update the national driver training manual. They recommend refresher training every three to five years based on assessments and competency.
However, the research found that 34 per cent of forces make no provision for a formal assessment of driving skills every three to five years. He agrees that safety should be a top priority for all chief officers when it comes to trying to
reduce deaths on Britain’s roads. He told Police: ‘It is only in recent months that police forces have begun to implement the guidelines [ACPO Pursuit Guidelines] and this is still not the case for some areas of the country. This is a matter of grave concern and one in which ACPO, the Home Office and the IPCC are working together to address the problems. The policy is in place, the driver
training modules are in place, and now we need all forces to put it into practice.’
The Federation survey on
police driver training found:
● 79 per cent of forces with a Force Safety Committee do not make use of it to investigate police vehicle accidents
● Only a quarter of forces have black boxes, similar to those used in aeroplanes to record information which could help learn lessons from an accident, fitted to all or most pursuit vehicles. In 37 per cent of forces none have been fitted with a black box
● 34 per cent of forces make no provision for periodic formal assessment of driving skills every three to five years
● In nearly 47 per cent of forces it is considered normal practice for control room operators to always make decisions about continuing or stopping a pursuit
● Despite 84 per cent of control room operators ‘always or ‘often’ deciding on pursuits, over half of forces, 53 per cent, do not provide controllers with access to
refresher training
● 35 per cent of forces have no training processes in place for learning from police vehicle accidents. In force where there was training in place, only just over half apply that learning to improving the training process in general
● Only 41 per cent of forces ‘routinely’ debrief after pursuit incidents.
Full article here
Bet this level of basic training extends throughout each department in real terms.
How on earth can they deal with emergencies with such low key training.
Mind you - it's a bit like Johnny for the dole queuebeing told he is a qualified tradesman (elctrician
plumber
roofer
:decorator:
afer a 6 week Bliardeal course...
>> Edited by Mad Moggie on Friday 13th May 01:38
How on earth can they deal with emergencies with such low key training.
Mind you - it's a bit like Johnny for the dole queuebeing told he is a qualified tradesman (elctrician
plumber
roofer
:decorator:
afer a 6 week Bliardeal course...
>> Edited by Mad Moggie on Friday 13th May 01:38
mungo said:Do you not mean that the drivers are exempt?
[ ... ]
Of course it's all down to force policy which as a police officer you have to adhere to... The reality is that all police vehicles are exempt from road regulations when used for police business
One of the problems is - as highlighted on other posts in SP&L - that some BiB behave as though they are exempt from all law.
Streaky
Dwight VanDriver said:Quite right. I'd still want the BiB involved in the necessary chase to be well trained, though.
Who is responsible for these chases?.
Bloody Police again eh? Yes but NO - When will they that spout put the blame where it rests - the b*r*ard numpty who will not use his right foot, brake and stop.
Grrrrr.
DVD
mungo said:
I personally think ALL police drivers should be pursuit / response trained to minimum standard level (area car level)
As a basic driver you are stuck between a rock and a hard place... You aren't allowed to hit the blues and drive through traffic lights / break the speed limit unless there is an imminent danger to life.
The problem this gives you is when you are needed somewhere quickly to catch a burgular etc is that you are stuck between a rock and a hard place - If you drive to the rules the burgular would have got away, if you don't then you are far more likely to catch the burgular. It is very frustrating when as a basic driver you need to get somewhere quickly but you have to stop for every traffic light (which there are plenty of on my patch).
I really do believe all Police drivers should be pursuit and response trained. Of course, a lot of people won't have the ability to pass the course unfortunately
Of course it's all down to force policy which as a police officer you have to adhere to... The reality is that all police vehicles are exempt from road regulations when used for police business
I would fully endorse that Mungo; there should be no exceptions.
If you are a police officer behind the wheel of a police vehicle it seems madness to me that you don't have advanced driver training.
I have to say I have seen some dreadful driving going on in police vehicles, but only once was it a traffic cop, (see my post about ANPR cameras), and he was a motorcyclist.
Most traffic cops I know and have seen driving were excellent.
I hate to seem ruthless, but if someone is a police officer and doesn't possess the natural ability to drive at advanced level, then they shouldn't be allowed to drive police vehicles; there's too much inherent risk in pursuit situations.
cuneus said:
I found the article very sad esp for the inadequately trained BiB who might be "asked" to do a pursuit.
The management need to wake up and it is inconceivable that there is not a nationalised standard
I used to believe that all police advanced drivers were trained at Hendon, but perhaps this never was the case.
It seems to me startling and quite wrong that there is no proper national standard being worked to across the (43 is it?) police forces, especially in view of the disquiet being voiced about the large increase in serious accidents in recent years.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
One of the companies I'm involved with represent an American company that provide Driving Simulators that have been used very successfully over many years to train Law enforcement driving techniques.
The European and British markets have always resisted this technology for reasons that elude me at present for we, (The parent company) have sold over 300 systems into 60 different countries at circa $1/2 million a time and to my certain knowledge there have been no complaints what so ever as the systems save lives and budgets.
According to the various Police forces that use them, they wouldn't train drivers any other way and as you can work with 4 students at the same time it's very efficient and user friendly.
I have written to the Police Federation and suggested that we demonstrate the systems to them so we shall see what happens, but we are dealing directly with two British police forces, two Universities, one very large driving school and two branches of the Armed forces so perhaps we can finally break into the UK and European markets, who on this occasion are the last major players to come to the table.
FWIW, I live in London, am a serving Met traffic officer and advanced driver. I can only speak for London but.....
Nearly all of the Mets vehicles have 'black boxes' and all new ones are automatically fitted with them. The data they produce is always looked at after any collision or incident in which a police vehicle is involved.
Police driver training is not easy and when I took my advanced course the pass rate was only 48%. If you are not up to it they will, quite rightly, fail you! It is a very easy course to fail as the standard is set very high.
I had three weeks training at standard level (enabling blues and twos in things such as an Astra, Focus and vans) before a four week advanced course. This included a week of purely pursuit driving.
I do not know of anyone who has found the courses easy!
Driving day in, day out in London using blue lights is not easy and I think alot of the problems we have are due to the much higher volume of cars on the roads, the much higher number of calls we are required to respond to and the poor reactions of numerous drivers we encounter.....
A couple of regular examples include cars pulling to a halt in the outside lane of a motorway on sight of a police car behind them (great fun if you are doing 100mph!) or pulling up directly level with traffic islands thereby blocking your path.
I'm not making excuses for poor driving which obviously exists - no system is perfect - but it is alot more difficult to get about now than it was 15 years ago when I started.
I find most police drivers in London - particularly advanced drivers - take alot of pride in their standard of driving. If people could come out with us and see what we have to avoid / put up with when on way to calls I think most would be amazed.
Nearly all of the Mets vehicles have 'black boxes' and all new ones are automatically fitted with them. The data they produce is always looked at after any collision or incident in which a police vehicle is involved.
Police driver training is not easy and when I took my advanced course the pass rate was only 48%. If you are not up to it they will, quite rightly, fail you! It is a very easy course to fail as the standard is set very high.
I had three weeks training at standard level (enabling blues and twos in things such as an Astra, Focus and vans) before a four week advanced course. This included a week of purely pursuit driving.
I do not know of anyone who has found the courses easy!
Driving day in, day out in London using blue lights is not easy and I think alot of the problems we have are due to the much higher volume of cars on the roads, the much higher number of calls we are required to respond to and the poor reactions of numerous drivers we encounter.....
A couple of regular examples include cars pulling to a halt in the outside lane of a motorway on sight of a police car behind them (great fun if you are doing 100mph!) or pulling up directly level with traffic islands thereby blocking your path.
I'm not making excuses for poor driving which obviously exists - no system is perfect - but it is alot more difficult to get about now than it was 15 years ago when I started.
I find most police drivers in London - particularly advanced drivers - take alot of pride in their standard of driving. If people could come out with us and see what we have to avoid / put up with when on way to calls I think most would be amazed.
Dave,
I wish it were that simple - the civilians that run my lovely job won't let anyone come out in the cars with us any more for fear of us being sued ..... thats why I said 'if people could come out with us, etc ......'
We used to take people out all the time (up until about 2 years ago) and as I said for most it was a real eye opener - but alas no more!
Apparently some people who came out with us got a bit too involved when they turned up at things and punched people, etc...... we were responsible for their actions as they were out with us and we got sued as a result....
We tried getting people to sign disclaimers so they were responsible for their own actions but our lawyers told us they weren't worth the paper they were written on.
Sorry I can't help more - it's not something I agree with as I never had anyone go away with a negative view after a day out!
I wish it were that simple - the civilians that run my lovely job won't let anyone come out in the cars with us any more for fear of us being sued ..... thats why I said 'if people could come out with us, etc ......'
We used to take people out all the time (up until about 2 years ago) and as I said for most it was a real eye opener - but alas no more!
Apparently some people who came out with us got a bit too involved when they turned up at things and punched people, etc...... we were responsible for their actions as they were out with us and we got sued as a result....
We tried getting people to sign disclaimers so they were responsible for their own actions but our lawyers told us they weren't worth the paper they were written on.
Sorry I can't help more - it's not something I agree with as I never had anyone go away with a negative view after a day out!
Many thanks for your reply John.
I'm sorry if there are too many difficulties involved, it was a nice idea though, and I'm sure you would have a lot of willing participants.
Such an event has been mooted here previously, but so far as I am aware it has never actually happened yet.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
>> Edited by TripleS on Friday 13th May 22:30
I'm sorry if there are too many difficulties involved, it was a nice idea though, and I'm sure you would have a lot of willing participants.
Such an event has been mooted here previously, but so far as I am aware it has never actually happened yet.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
>> Edited by TripleS on Friday 13th May 22:30
I have to say it doesn't surprise me in the slightest
1) There is an institional culture of arrogance within the police force. You can see it every day if you follow an untrained panda car around. The driving of (untrained) police vehicles in no better than public and often worse.
2) Even for the trained they continue to practise in live uncontrolled circumstances - in short not best practise in any other walk of life. From the post above refusing to accept modern technology to train in control environments
3) While accepting DVD comments regarding the "right foot", I am sure DVD doesn't expect them to stop and hand themselves over either. If they were not chased they were almost certainly never crash but would also not be caught. Classic risk vs benefit equation but it is the police that make the decision as to where they choose to move the balance to. From the moment the blue light goes the scum are reacting to each move the police make.
4) The fact that you have such a range of policies just further highlights the failings of having police regions. It continues to support fat cats and snouts in trough culture while preventing what the public want - bobbies on the beat. It provides no benifit the public in the 21st century and worse it continues to lead directly to the death of members of the public.
The effectiveness of the police to provide what the public want will continue to decline until a fundemental and radical overhawl of the police force happens coupled with a review of the justice system which is just as bad with kangaroo magistrate courts and growing culture of litigation which undermines the fabric of society.
1) There is an institional culture of arrogance within the police force. You can see it every day if you follow an untrained panda car around. The driving of (untrained) police vehicles in no better than public and often worse.
2) Even for the trained they continue to practise in live uncontrolled circumstances - in short not best practise in any other walk of life. From the post above refusing to accept modern technology to train in control environments
3) While accepting DVD comments regarding the "right foot", I am sure DVD doesn't expect them to stop and hand themselves over either. If they were not chased they were almost certainly never crash but would also not be caught. Classic risk vs benefit equation but it is the police that make the decision as to where they choose to move the balance to. From the moment the blue light goes the scum are reacting to each move the police make.
4) The fact that you have such a range of policies just further highlights the failings of having police regions. It continues to support fat cats and snouts in trough culture while preventing what the public want - bobbies on the beat. It provides no benifit the public in the 21st century and worse it continues to lead directly to the death of members of the public.
The effectiveness of the police to provide what the public want will continue to decline until a fundemental and radical overhawl of the police force happens coupled with a review of the justice system which is just as bad with kangaroo magistrate courts and growing culture of litigation which undermines the fabric of society.
Dibbles - Liebchen. Ist nice to see you on here again...
Agree about black boxes - but only to record professional stuff like this. But for Joe Public - if it
records conversations ....some things are private .....Have thing about such things after leipzig
ist ridiculous that 34% do not have assessments und that those managers also do not get a refresher training. Nor learnings und debriefings after incidents....
IG - my cousin - ist in traditional type force at least.
But ist where driver training ist losing its shine - as most of the techniques were adapted to be taught to normal drivers - und if police had rfreshers as routine - then may filter down into "good practice" rearding Joe Public...
By not addressing problems here - how can we look up to police drivers as standards of good practice?
Agree about black boxes - but only to record professional stuff like this. But for Joe Public - if it
records conversations ....some things are private .....Have thing about such things after leipzig
ist ridiculous that 34% do not have assessments und that those managers also do not get a refresher training. Nor learnings und debriefings after incidents....
IG - my cousin - ist in traditional type force at least.
But ist where driver training ist losing its shine - as most of the techniques were adapted to be taught to normal drivers - und if police had rfreshers as routine - then may filter down into "good practice" rearding Joe Public...
By not addressing problems here - how can we look up to police drivers as standards of good practice?
Dwight VanDriver said:
Who is responsible for these chases?.
Bloody Police again eh? Yes but NO - When will they that spout put the blame where it rests - the b*r*ard numpty who will not use his right foot, brake and stop.
Grrrrr.
DVD
But usually DVD ... ist a joyrider or some thug - which we want locking up.
Und they are crooks who do not want to be cuaght und thick enough to think they can actually drive as well. They do not care about safety - und probably would drive in same dangerous fashion whether pursued by police or not.
We do need BiB to be trained to cope mit these people - und if we do not train properly - we end up mit police in more bother than the thugs...

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