Can’t get a loan despite good credit score
Can’t get a loan despite good credit score
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DomesticM

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347 posts

104 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Hi guys, I’m looking at getting a loan to help buy a car but I keep getting declined and I have no idea why. The loan I’m applying for is roughly 60% of my annual income, I have no debt on credit cards etc, I’ve had a previous loan which I paid off early and recently had finance on a watch which was paid off as planned, so why can’t I get a loan? My credit score is excellent.

Thanks.

Saleen836

12,503 posts

239 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Sometimes having no debt isn't a good thing when applying for credit, do you have a mortgage? named on council tax bill? mobile phone contract?

DomesticM

Original Poster:

347 posts

104 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Saleen836 said:
Sometimes having no debt isn't a good thing when applying for credit, do you have a mortgage? named on council tax bill? mobile phone contract?
The only contract I have is my mobile which is £30 a month. I haven’t got a mortgage or anything else similar.

blue_haddock

5,024 posts

97 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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DomesticM said:
The loan I’m applying for is roughly 60% of my annual income,
Thats probably why i'd imagine



GT03ROB

14,024 posts

251 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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blue_haddock said:
DomesticM said:
The loan I’m applying for is roughly 60% of my annual income,
Thats probably why i'd imagine
Don't want to be judgemental, but I will for a min........ that seems frikking high for a car. eek

But maybe I live in a different world.

C0ffin D0dger

3,440 posts

175 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Likewise, 60% on a car, even on a house / mortgage you'd struggle!

Sarnie

8,372 posts

239 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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DomesticM said:
Hi guys, I’m looking at getting a loan to help buy a car but I keep getting declined and I have no idea why. The loan I’m applying for is roughly 60% of my annual income, I have no debt on credit cards etc, I’ve had a previous loan which I paid off early and recently had finance on a watch which was paid off as planned, so why can’t I get a loan? My credit score is excellent.

Thanks.
High loan-to-income ratio, not a home owner, minimal credit history, paid only finance agreement off early, unsecured lending.......

DonkeyApple

69,952 posts

199 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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DomesticM said:
Hi guys, I’m looking at getting a loan to help buy a car but I keep getting declined and I have no idea why. The loan I’m applying for is roughly 60% of my annual income, I have no debt on credit cards etc, I’ve had a previous loan which I paid off early and recently had finance on a watch which was paid off as planned, so why can’t I get a loan? My credit score is excellent.

Thanks.
If you look at it from a lender’s perspective then it might be easier to see the issue. If the only collateral you have is your job then if you lose that job then you instantly become wholly unviable. The car would only have 40% of equity at the outset but this would arguably be falling quicker than you’re repayments so in the event of a default there really isn’t any fat in there to cover costs.

It’s probably just a case of putting more money down at the outset.

ATG

23,765 posts

302 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Excuse ignorance, but will the potential lender not tell you why the loan is not being offered?

blue_haddock

5,024 posts

97 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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ATG said:
Excuse ignorance, but will the potential lender not tell you why the loan is not being offered?
Usually they just say "that you do not meet our lending criteria"

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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ATG said:
Excuse ignorance, but will the potential lender not tell you why the loan is not being offered?
Generally speaking, the people who run the scorecard for the business don't like to reveal the actual reason, as it just encourages people to "correct" their application next time smile

mholt1995

571 posts

111 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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blue_haddock said:
DomesticM said:
The loan I’m applying for is roughly 60% of my annual income,
Thats probably why i'd imagine
Just out of interest as I'm intending on taking out a loan of 15% of my annual income next year (2y period) and a ~50% one (4 or 5y period) in a few years time and I'm also not a homeowner.

Why would this be an issue if the loan was over several years (I note OP hasn't stated the duration or how monthly payments stack up with take-home pay)?

If it was, for ease of calculations, a £60,000 loan on a salary of £100,000. Whilst this would be 60% of annual income, over 4 years it would equal only 15% (£60,000/£400,000).

Numbers, logic and fact all start to get skewed here but, in affordability terms, that's £63,000 (assuming 5% interest front-loaded) over 48 months. I can't expect £1.3k to be an issue for someone taking home ballpark ~£5.5k a month.

Funk

27,686 posts

239 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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OP - lots of applications in a short space of time is also going to hurt you so stop applying. You'll need to leave it at least 6 months for those to have less (or no) impact on a new application.

You say you've checked your credit score; these sites (Clearscore, Experian and Noddle) also work with lenders to show you which loans you'd be most likely to be accepted for - did you look at those?

DonkeyApple

69,952 posts

199 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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mholt1995 said:
Just out of interest as I'm intending on taking out a loan of 15% of my annual income next year (2y period) and a ~50% one (4 or 5y period) in a few years time and I'm also not a homeowner.

Why would this be an issue if the loan was over several years (I note OP hasn't stated the duration or how monthly payments stack up with take-home pay)?

If it was, for ease of calculations, a £60,000 loan on a salary of £100,000. Whilst this would be 60% of annual income, over 4 years it would equal only 15% (£60,000/£400,000).

Numbers, logic and fact all start to get skewed here but, in affordability terms, that's £63,000 (assuming 5% interest front-loaded) over 48 months. I can't expect £1.3k to be an issue for someone taking home ballpark ~£5.5k a month.
What’s the lender’s collateral if you lose that income? It’s about worst case scenarios and fitting risk profiles.

And in reality, someone with a high income who can show no assets or wealth is a worse credit risk than someone in the same boat but with a lower income.

Ie you’d expect someone on a low income to be renting and to have little savings but someone in the same boat but with a high income is painting the statistical picture of a reckless spender and a liability.

Dinoboy

2,600 posts

247 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Have you tried applying for car finance through a dealer? At least that is secured on the car so more likely to be accepted.

Deesee

8,509 posts

113 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Is this not what PCP is for hehe

No seriously how much are you looking to borrow? And over what term?

Stella Tortoise

3,158 posts

173 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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On a salary of £100k monthly repayments of £840 over 5 years doesn't seem unrealistic.

I would think of calling someone like Oracle for a chat.

GT03ROB

14,024 posts

251 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Stella Tortoise said:
On a salary of £100k monthly repayments of £840 over 5 years doesn't seem unrealistic.

I would think of calling someone like Oracle for a chat.
But as Donkey says where's the security? Salary gone there is none.

Stella Tortoise

3,158 posts

173 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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GT03ROB said:
But as Donkey says where's the security? Salary gone there is none.
If it's an unsecured loan there is no security other than recourse to civil law.

If it's HP on the other hand...

DonkeyApple

69,952 posts

199 months

Friday 21st December 2018
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Stella Tortoise said:
If it's an unsecured loan there is no security other than recourse to civil law.

If it's HP on the other hand...
You just don’t want to get into default action in the first instance with this type of lending.

There’s a higher risk with higher salary as someone earning £20k who loses their job can more easily find a replacement form of income to service their obligations than someone on a high income who will struggle much harder. At the same time, someone in a high income who needs to borrow 60% of their annual income for a car is clearly a high spender and a risk.

I imagine most basic lending models will instantly reject a high earners whose only ‘asset’ is their income and looking to borrow 60%.