Penetrating oil (fuel filter)
Penetrating oil (fuel filter)
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RayTay

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536 posts

129 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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The nut on top of Toyota Avensis fuel filter (petrol) is difficult to remove. It looks like a banjo joint. On the line that goes to the engine. The bottom one maybe also seized, but never tried that. What is the best penetrating oil to use on this?

thanks

Edited by RayTay on Sunday 6th January 16:55

rigga

8,807 posts

232 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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Penetrating oil won't work, as if there was any way the oil could get down to the threads, past the sealing ring, petrol would be pissing out all over the place, use a bigger leverage to undo the union.

RayTay

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536 posts

129 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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rigga said:
Penetrating oil won't work, as if there was any way the oil could get down to the threads, past the sealing ring, petrol would be pissing out all over the place, use a bigger leverage to undo the union.
I feel like damage would occur if I put too much leverage on it. The banjo joint has a copper washer.


Edited by RayTay on Sunday 6th January 23:54

RayTay

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536 posts

129 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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It looks like this. This is on a Corrola.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGZUimVBZFE

E-bmw

13,609 posts

183 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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And, why are you trying to remove it precisely?

RayTay

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536 posts

129 months

Sunday 6th January 2019
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To change the fuel filter. The fuel tank went down too low and I suspect crud has been sucked up and partially blocked the filter.

littleredrooster

6,413 posts

227 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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Why do people still imagine that fuel is somehow 'sucked' from the top of the tank? It is taken from the lowest part of the tank, so if it's going to 'suck crud', it will suck crud all the time!

OP - if their is any seizure, it is likely to be just under the head of the bolt, not the thread for reasons previously mentioned. An application of Plus Gas may just about do the job.

SamR380

737 posts

151 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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A squirt of freezing 'shock' spray might help too.

steveo3002

11,237 posts

205 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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roar it off with a bigger bar ..worst case the banjo bolt snaps in the filter and you need a new bolt too

oil wont penetrate it , if it did then fuel would leak out the opposite way

RayTay

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536 posts

129 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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Conflicting opinions.
1. Penetrating oil will do not good.
2. Penetrating oil will work.

Freezing is now in the ring.

E-bmw

13,609 posts

183 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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RayTay said:
Conflicting opinions.
1. Penetrating oil will do not good.
2. Penetrating oil will work.
There is no conflict, penetrating oil needs to get in there to work, it cannot do anything just sat on a bolt head.

If you are trying to remove a banjo bolt it has seals that stop the fluid/fuel getting out which will stop the penetrating oil from getting in.

Simples!

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

286 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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RayTay said:
Conflicting opinions.
1. Penetrating oil will do not good.
2. Penetrating oil will work.

Freezing is now in the ring.
Penetrating oil rarely does much good in reducing breakaway torque for normal bolts IME, and will certainly have no effect when there is a sealing washer under the bolt head.

The threads should not be corroded on a fuel system banjo bolt unless significant amounts of water are in the fuel system, so it sounds like more torque is required.

E-bmw

13,609 posts

183 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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Correct.

E-bmw

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183 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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RayTay said:
To change the fuel filter. The fuel tank went down too low and I suspect crud has been sucked up and partially blocked the filter.
So why are you thinking you need to change the filter, are you actually having a problem?

Not familiar with the car so pardon the ignorance but I know of no car where banjos need undoing to change a filter, do you actually need to remove the banjo connection to change it?

InitialDave

15,157 posts

150 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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The bolt threads into the filter itself, yes?

I'd just get new ones and undo it. If it shears, it shears. New bolt goes into new filter.

littleredrooster said:
Why do people still imagine that fuel is somehow 'sucked' from the top of the tank? It is taken from the lowest part of the tank, so if it's going to 'suck crud', it will suck crud all the time!
The issue is when the fuel gets really low and you refill the tank, the fresh fuel seems to swirl up any crud that's there and hold it in suspension long enough to get pulled through and bung something up. Had it happen a couple of times.

RayTay

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Monday 7th January 2019
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E-bmw said:
So why are you thinking you need to change the filter, are you actually having a problem?

Not familiar with the car so pardon the ignorance but I know of no car where banjos need undoing to change a filter, do you actually need to remove the banjo connection to change it?
Fuel starvation at high revs. Just after running way too low on fuel. First port of call is the filter.

Look at the video I linked to.

RayTay

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536 posts

129 months

Monday 7th January 2019
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InitialDave said:
The bolt threads into the filter itself, yes?
Yes.

RayTay

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536 posts

129 months

Tuesday 8th January 2019
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Managed to loosen the nut, with a big yank, on the fuel filter and changed it. The spark plugs have also been changed. But the problem persists. When revving over 3,000 the engine splutters and will not rev any more. frown

InitialDave

15,157 posts

150 months

Tuesday 8th January 2019
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I would assume there's a filter "sock" on the in-tank pump assembly, have you checked that too?

geeks

11,854 posts

170 months

Tuesday 8th January 2019
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Could be a dozen things, we would need more details about the car to be able to help!