Holts Cold Start spray
Holts Cold Start spray
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Shambo18

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2 posts

94 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Hello, newbie here.

My Dads having bother with his Astra 1.6 Club 2006 Ecotec in that it's not starting up first time. Local mechanic had a look, replaced battery but still problems. Mechanic now saying might need to take it to Vauxhall....
No warning lights as such.
Anyways....got a can of Holts Cold Start spray...as issue with start is after particular cold days/nights.
My query is...do I spray it into the Air Intake...do I have to remove cover? TIA

V8RX7

28,982 posts

294 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Usually you pull the air filter and squirt it whilst cranking

You can get flames blown back

Ah the good old days... used loads in the late 70's - me squirting Dad's cars to get them going

Cupramax

11,007 posts

283 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Crank sensor is a common fault on them.

rxe

6,700 posts

134 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Probably a temperature sensor. Engine doesn't know it is cold, doesn't richen mixture to start, so hard to start from cold. Presumably it starts when warm? If so, definitely check the engine temp sensor and the air intake temp sensor.

Cold start - not the right solution, but if you want to use it, any way of getting to the air intake - this may be visible under the bonnet, or it may be in a wheel arch. Failing that, cracking off the intake hose, squirting some in and then resealing it will work. It's often used on slightly shagged agri diesels with low compression, and buggers the compression even more.

gazza285

11,251 posts

239 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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rxe said:
Cold start - not the right solution, but if you want to use it, any way of getting to the air intake - this may be visible under the bonnet, or it may be in a wheel arch. Failing that, cracking off the intake hose, squirting some in and then resealing it will work. It's often used on slightly shagged agri diesels with low compression, and buggers the compression even more.
Smells nice though.

S6PNJ

5,855 posts

312 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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rxe said:
...buggers the compression even more.
I've used it in the past (and still have a fairly new can!) on lawnmowers/rotavators etc to get them going and I've also heard that once used, the engine get a 'taste' for it and is hard to start without, which links into your comment about possibly buggering the compression. But why does it bugger the compression? Surely a bit of ethanol can't change piston rings but could 'clean' carbon from the bore - is that why?

Shambo18

Original Poster:

2 posts

94 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Thanks for the suggestions to check temp...i was kinda hoping mechanic had done that as he had his diagnostic machine plugged in.

I've also read mixed reports on the engine becoming 'addicted' but guy was refuting that.

I'm really not sure now confused

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

315 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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If it's a petrol engine check whether it has a hotwire mass air flow sensor - these are very sensitive to surface contamination.

227bhp

10,203 posts

159 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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I wondered who would be the first to say an engine can become addicted to Easy Start, what a ridiculous notion.
Let it suck up some coke whilst its running or inject some smack into it and see what happens.
rofl

alabbasi

3,246 posts

118 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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GreenV8S said:
If it's a petrol engine check whether it has a hotwire mass air flow sensor - these are very sensitive to surface contamination.
Yep, make sure that you spray upstream of the maf or use a vacuum line.

Glasgowrob

3,349 posts

152 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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to be fair i think your Dad needs a more competent mechanic,


if hes struggling with a 13yr old Astra and suggesting taking it to the dealers i'd be looking for someone else

magpie215

5,045 posts

220 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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227bhp said:
I wondered who would be the first to say an engine can become addicted to Easy Start, what a ridiculous notion.
Let it suck up some coke whilst its running or inject some smack into it and see what happens.
rofl
Lol...yes only addicted because the engines already knackered and wont start without it anyway... :-)

227bhp

10,203 posts

159 months

Thursday 10th January 2019
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It is good stuff for fault finding though, if you've got a normal healthy(ish) petrol engine that won't start unless that stuff is sprayed in then you've eradicated ignition issues straight away.

rxe

6,700 posts

134 months

Thursday 10th January 2019
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S6PNJ said:
I've used it in the past (and still have a fairly new can!) on lawnmowers/rotavators etc to get them going and I've also heard that once used, the engine get a 'taste' for it and is hard to start without, which links into your comment about possibly buggering the compression. But why does it bugger the compression? Surely a bit of ethanol can't change piston rings but could 'clean' carbon from the bore - is that why?
What tends to happen is this:

- someone uses easystart on a pretty shagged diesel with low compression - which is why the thing won't start in the first place when cold.

- ether (which is what this stuff is) is much more volatile than diesel and most people just squirt a good slug into the intake and then crank the engine.

- the ether pre-ignites, massively stressing the piston + rings, and blowing any carbon off the rings that is probably all that is providing compression

- thus the next time, with lower compression, you need more ether, bigger bang....

- and so on.

A petrol engine should not need ether at all. Unless it is -70C or something.

rambo19

2,968 posts

168 months

Saturday 12th January 2019
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Glasgowrob said:
to be fair i think your Dad needs a more competent mechanic,


if hes struggling with a 13yr old Astra and suggesting taking it to the dealers i'd be looking for someone else
This 100%