New type R or 140i

[granto223]

Pro’s and cons of each?

Thanks

[duudiz]

I know somebody who has owned both, check his YouTube channel out which has content on owning both cars.

REAL TORQUE

[ZX10R NIN]

A test drive will tell you which is for you as they have very different characteristics.

[granto223]

I’ve test drove both and I can’t decideZ

The type r is gorgeous but the bmw is quicker in a straight line.

I want both hahah.

[DiscoSINGH]

M140i for me as it’s likely to be the last rwd 6 pot 1 series BMW will make.

Next gen 1 series with probably be fwd and use a 4 pot banger?

[Deep Thought]

granto223 said:

I’ve test drove both and I can’t decideZ

The type r is gorgeous but the bmw is quicker in a straight line.

I want both hahah.

Heres an angle - the Type R will at some point be superceded by the next Type R or some new variant which will be "better". The M140i wont be. Its USP are the 6 cylinder engine and the RWD, both of which dont make it over to the new model.

On that basis i'd go M140i.

[JackReacher]

I have an m240i, and in hindsight thing I should have gone for a Type R. The m240i has a monster of an engine, but it's not especially characterful and the rest of the car is not as capable. I had a brief drive in a Type R after getting the m240i, and it was just a more exciting car to drive.

[anonymous-user]

Take the engine out the m135/140 and you’re left with a shell that’s the same as every other m sport trim 1 series. With the type r you’re getting something engineered specifically for the hot hatch / track day experience. So it depends what you’re looking for. The m is all about straight line speed whereas the type r is all about handling.

[Deep Thought]

sotonjoe said:

Take the engine out the m135/140 and you’re left with a shell that’s the same as every other m sport trim 1 series. With the type r you’re getting something engineered specifically for the hot hatch / track day experience. So it depends what you’re looking for. The m is all about straight line speed whereas the type r is all about handling.

Is there not more to the Mx40i cars? Otherwise it would just be called a 140i M Sport? I thought they sat above M Sport but below M?

[tonyb1968]

The Type R is deemed to be one of the best drivers cars in its class, just on that alone it should be pushing you towards ownership.
Ok, its very "in your face" compared to the more sedate looking BM, it will also hold its value far better than the BM (waiting for the backlash on that one ) but its true, the 140i does not hold its value, its a money pit in comparison.

Straight line speed? sod that, go for where its at, in the corners, again the Type R is the better car here, so over all the Type R should be the one you want parked on your drive or in your garage

[Deep Thought]

tonyb1968 said:

the 140i does not hold its value, its a money pit in comparison.

An M140i only looks expensive when you compare list price to used prices. List price on a new 5 door M140i Shadow Edition is night on £37K, but they can be bought for around £28K.

A 3 year old M140i 5 door will set you back £20K ish.

[Scobblelotcher]

tonyb1968 said:

The Type R is deemed to be one of the best drivers cars in its class, just on that alone it should be pushing you towards ownership.
Ok, its very "in your face" compared to the more sedate looking BM, it will also hold its value far better than the BM (waiting for the backlash on that one ) but its true, the 140i does not hold its value, its a money pit in comparison.

Straight line speed? sod that, go for where its at, in the corners, again the Type R is the better car here, so over all the Type R should be the one you want parked on your drive or in your garage

This isn't true. The M135/140 hold their values quite well once you've considered the actual cost paid for the car not the book cost, this is where most of the misunderstanding stems from.

I've owned two variants of the Type R and an M135i and they are very different cars with different intended purposes.

The BMW is designed to go under the radar (especially without badges) and the Type R wants everyone else on the road to know what it is. The BMW is comfortable and capable of being a completely normal car but has an absolutely stonking engine when you get on it. The Type R is supposed to be hardcore and very sharp and it is.

The BMW is a small rear driven car with a big engine and it's character couldn't be further away from the front wheel drive 2.0 4 cylinder Type R. I personally like to go under the radar these days after various Type R's and Impreza's and also love the behaviour of the rear driven BMW which is intensified by the torquey engine. Being able to make the rear dance and having to work with the car unless it's dry is good fun but when you want it, the car will quietly and comfortable cruise along blending into normal traffic. The BMW's engine is also capable of serious power with even the mildest of remaps.

If I were doing a lot of track days (like I used too) I may go with the Civic Type R but honestly, I prefer rear wheel driven cars and ones that produce a lot of power/torque very low down which makes the car easy to cruise in and capable of a lot of performance when demanded.

Both fantastic cars but very different in many important ways.

[Scobblelotcher]

sotonjoe said:

Take the engine out the m135/140 and you’re left with a shell that’s the same as every other m sport trim 1 series. With the type r you’re getting something engineered specifically for the hot hatch / track day experience. So it depends what you’re looking for. The m is all about straight line speed whereas the type r is all about handling.

I agree, although I think you forgot:

Suspension
Braking system
Exhaust system
Bodykit
Interior (well parts of it!)
etc, etc....

[tonyb1968]

Deep Thought said:

tonyb1968 said:

the 140i does not hold its value, its a money pit in comparison.

An M140i only looks expensive when you compare list price to used prices. List price on a new 5 door M140i Shadow Edition is night on £37K, but they can be bought for around £28K.

A 3 year old M140i 5 door will set you back £20K ish.

Cars that are not even 2 years old are going for 20k, they don't hold their value, you look at a 66 plate Civic Type R GT and those are pushing 25k, that's the big difference, now at 3 years if you want a bargain then go for the BMW, but it won't be anywhere near as good as the Honda or hold it value the same (this is what you get for knocking 9k off the list price), demand and over supply kills resale value.

[Scobblelotcher]

tonyb1968 said:

Deep Thought said:

tonyb1968 said:

the 140i does not hold its value, its a money pit in comparison.

An M140i only looks expensive when you compare list price to used prices. List price on a new 5 door M140i Shadow Edition is night on £37K, but they can be bought for around £28K.

A 3 year old M140i 5 door will set you back £20K ish.

Cars that are not even 2 years old are going for 20k, they don't hold their value, you look at a 66 plate Civic Type R GT and those are pushing 25k, that's the big difference, now at 3 years if you want a bargain then go for the BMW, but it won't be anywhere near as good as the Honda or hold it value the same (this is what you get for knocking 9k off the list price), demand and over supply kills resale value.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201902024531598

What am I missing? This very low mileage car costs £32k (before options) so has lost approx £11k in under 3 years which isn’t far from the depreciation of the M140i.

[Shiv_P]

CTR more suited to hard driving. M140i falls apart at "10/10ths"

[Deep Thought]

tonyb1968 said:

Cars that are not even 2 years old are going for 20k, they don't hold their value, you look at a 66 plate Civic Type R GT and those are pushing 25k, that's the big difference, now at 3 years if you want a bargain then go for the BMW, but it won't be anywhere near as good as the Honda or hold it value the same (this is what you get for knocking 9k off the list price), demand and over supply kills resale value.

Lets take your £20K after 2 years scenario and compare it to a 2017 Type R GT.

2017 Type R GT for £22,899

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

New Type R GT £32,500 before options but after discount. £10K drop after 2 years

New M140i £28,000 before options but after discount. £8K drop after 2 years.

[tonyb1968]

Deep Thought said:

tonyb1968 said:

Cars that are not even 2 years old are going for 20k, they don't hold their value, you look at a 66 plate Civic Type R GT and those are pushing 25k, that's the big difference, now at 3 years if you want a bargain then go for the BMW, but it won't be anywhere near as good as the Honda or hold it value the same (this is what you get for knocking 9k off the list price), demand and over supply kills resale value.

Lets take your £20K after 2 years scenario and compare it to a 2017 Type R GT.

2017 Type R GT for £22,899

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

New Type R GT £32,500 before options but after discount. £10K drop after 2 years

New M140i £28,000 before options but after discount. £8K drop after 2 years.

Drops more for a 2018 one

https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/201812203403027...

BTW this car is 9 months old.... 22k please with low miles.....

Edited by tonyb1968 on Monday 4th February 00:26

[Chestrockwell]

That’s a difficult choice to make, 2 completely different cars with their merits.

I’ve driven a few M135i/40i’s and a manual M240i, they’re very quick, probably quicker than 90% of the cars on the road and as quick in the real world as the other 10% but only in a straight line, I never felt confident chucking one round a bend and they become slightly twitchy/jumpy when you hit a pothole or you’re going over a road with a few bumps.

I’ve driven the FK2 Type R which was an absolute beast of a car, very intense and very bumpy, it was a test drive so I didn’t get to drive it properly but I didn’t like it’s ride, very firm and I would rather an M140i even if it handles better. It was also nearly 2 years ago so I don’t remember very well.

I can’t make an argument for the FK8 as I haven’t driven one yet but currently I’m driving a we’ll sorted FWD hot hatch, a manual MK7.5 Golf GTI, with an open diff and 230 bhp, on a dry road, it’s more than quick enough and being pulled by the front while the turbos kicking in and shifting gears is a addictive, it’s a very capable car that rides well and puts its power down well once you get the hang of it, I really like it.

The new FK8 has nearly 100 bhp more, more torque, adaptive dampers, an LSD, a class leading gear shift (from what I’ve read), a wider track with wider tyres and it’s lighter.

I say go for the Type R, I haven’t driven one but I just know it’s brilliant. I’ve got a 430d and the M140i just feels like a faster version of it, same gearbox and the same interior, it’s not a bespoke car, it shares parts with nearly everything in BMW’s range, the Civic really is a bespoke car with a lot of effort put into it.

Let us know how you get on!

[Deep Thought]

tonyb1968 said:

Drops more for a 2018 one

https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/201812203403027...

BTW this car is 9 months old.... 22k please with low miles.....

Edited by tonyb1968 on Monday 4th February 00:26

Well i cant imagine the O/P plans on changing his car after nine months, so i would have thought the 3 year old cars would show a more reasonable trend.

Having said that, with a price new after discount of £32,500, theres a £4,500 drop to the cheapest used Type R 2018 anyway, which isnt a mile away from the £6K difference for the M140i.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

But irrespective, over all those examples theres little difference in the drop in residuals in real terms - certainly not the "money pit" of depreciation you were describing.