2017 rs6 performance or 2013 r8 v10 plus
Discussion
I'm after some thoughts and advice on 2 totally different cars.
Went to look at this v10+ Saturday and it's nice, a little dated interior wise and I'm not sure about silver. https://kallenhard.co.uk/cars-for-sale/audi-r8-v10
However, whilst there I also noticed this rs6;
https://kallenhard.co.uk/cars-for-sale/audi-rs6-pe...
That got me thinking I could just run 1 car and still provide some smiles - I know not totally the same way. But what are the rs6's like to run? Costs, depreciation, grin factor? What are the must have options and how does the spec of this one compare?
Went to look at this v10+ Saturday and it's nice, a little dated interior wise and I'm not sure about silver. https://kallenhard.co.uk/cars-for-sale/audi-r8-v10
However, whilst there I also noticed this rs6;
https://kallenhard.co.uk/cars-for-sale/audi-rs6-pe...
That got me thinking I could just run 1 car and still provide some smiles - I know not totally the same way. But what are the rs6's like to run? Costs, depreciation, grin factor? What are the must have options and how does the spec of this one compare?
RS6 is a fab car. Incredible speed for such a big thing - and this generation finally handles quite well too (previous versions were a bit wooden). But it is a big, and surprisingly luxurious, estate car. If you have a family and dog then the 6 is the perfect choice - it’s a bit like a Bentley GT estate. But if you can live with two seats and want a sharper handling car with a lovely sounding V10 then go R8. Many RS6 owners have a toy in the garage for the weekend so, better still, buy both.
Re running costs. They will be similarly expensive to service and maintain. 6 can hit 30mpg on motorways. I averaged 23mpg over 35,000 miles.
Re running costs. They will be similarly expensive to service and maintain. 6 can hit 30mpg on motorways. I averaged 23mpg over 35,000 miles.
Funnily enough I ran both at the same time for almost two years summer 2016 to June last yr, had a 2014 RS6 ( not performance) and a 2014 V10 plus. The RS6 I owned from new but had always wanted to scratch the R8 V10 itch so decided to get one ( much to my other halfs dismay!). Such vastly different cars...RS6 was a mega piece of kit, so fast and wonderful to take on long journeys, great for family duties and was as quick in the real world as the V10. Running costs were reasonable long life servicing so 2 in 4 years (about £700 each time) and went through one set of tyres so that was £1k. Fuel economy not much better than the V10, it sounded pretty good with the sports exhaust, interior v high quality and obviously more modern than the V10. The V10 plus however was more special to me, that engine and noise wins every time and of course it was a level up in terms of handling and feel compared to the RS6. It's a tough choice if you need some practicality but I found that having two warp drive cars wasnt really justifable longer term so swapped the 6 for a Q7 but also had another itch to scratch in the form of a V12 Vantage S so the R8 made way for that. Funnily enough the Gen2 R8 approaching the mid to low 80's so starting to get interesting to me at that level! Might well get back into one in the future as they're such good value for the money.
Thanks both.
My main dilemma is I do a lot of mountain biking, that means chucking the bikes in my jeep and heading off. Having the rs6 would combine having a bit of fun on the way as well as out on in the bike. Last year I did 1500 miles in the tvr versus 8000 in the jeep (That's weekend only as I commute to work by train).
I think I need to drive it.
What sort of depreciation do you think the 6 will suffer over 3 years? The r8 is pretty much at the bottom Barr a little bit.
The other big plus with the rs6 is it still has just over a years worth of Audi warranty on it (though hopefully it wouldn't need it)
I remember the old rs6's having a reputation for poor reliability and mega running costs, is this something Audi have finally sorted out writhe the new v8 engined cars?
Also what are your thoughts on the one I'm considering in terms of price and spec? I'd it missing any must haves?
My main dilemma is I do a lot of mountain biking, that means chucking the bikes in my jeep and heading off. Having the rs6 would combine having a bit of fun on the way as well as out on in the bike. Last year I did 1500 miles in the tvr versus 8000 in the jeep (That's weekend only as I commute to work by train).
I think I need to drive it.
What sort of depreciation do you think the 6 will suffer over 3 years? The r8 is pretty much at the bottom Barr a little bit.
The other big plus with the rs6 is it still has just over a years worth of Audi warranty on it (though hopefully it wouldn't need it)
I remember the old rs6's having a reputation for poor reliability and mega running costs, is this something Audi have finally sorted out writhe the new v8 engined cars?
Also what are your thoughts on the one I'm considering in terms of price and spec? I'd it missing any must haves?
Zippee said:
Thanks both.
My main dilemma is I do a lot of mountain biking, that means chucking the bikes in my jeep and heading off. Having the rs6 would combine having a bit of fun on the way as well as out on in the bike. Last year I did 1500 miles in the tvr versus 8000 in the jeep (That's weekend only as I commute to work by train).
I think I need to drive it.
What sort of depreciation do you think the 6 will suffer over 3 years? The r8 is pretty much at the bottom Barr a little bit.
The other big plus with the rs6 is it still has just over a years worth of Audi warranty on it (though hopefully it wouldn't need it)
I remember the old rs6's having a reputation for poor reliability and mega running costs, is this something Audi have finally sorted out writhe the new v8 engined cars?
Also what are your thoughts on the one I'm considering in terms of price and spec? I'd it missing any must haves?
Google the following:My main dilemma is I do a lot of mountain biking, that means chucking the bikes in my jeep and heading off. Having the rs6 would combine having a bit of fun on the way as well as out on in the bike. Last year I did 1500 miles in the tvr versus 8000 in the jeep (That's weekend only as I commute to work by train).
I think I need to drive it.
What sort of depreciation do you think the 6 will suffer over 3 years? The r8 is pretty much at the bottom Barr a little bit.
The other big plus with the rs6 is it still has just over a years worth of Audi warranty on it (though hopefully it wouldn't need it)
I remember the old rs6's having a reputation for poor reliability and mega running costs, is this something Audi have finally sorted out writhe the new v8 engined cars?
Also what are your thoughts on the one I'm considering in terms of price and spec? I'd it missing any must haves?
1. RS6 cracked alloys
2. RS6 Brake squeals
3. RS6 Engine injector Failure
You can make your own judgement.
Alucidnation said:
Seems a bit odd that a 2017 rs6 with a years warranty left on it has fallen out of the dealer network already.
Plenty of independent dealers around selling late cars.Cimaguy said:
1. RS6 cracked alloys
2. RS6 Brake squeals
3. RS6 Engine injector Failure
From a position of personal experience across many of these cars these are issues that the internet blows out of all proportion.2. RS6 Brake squeals
3. RS6 Engine injector Failure
Hi Dr G,
I appreciate you're an Audi specialist. You've also helped me with an issue I had with my S5 which I remain thankful to you for.
I was wondering, how many cracked alloy issues you've seen with the RS6? When I looked into the RS6 there seemed to be so many folks who said they had the issue. I saw a thread somewhere with owners commenting on their alloy issues. The brake shudder also seems to be a similar issue?
I dismissed the RS6 based on these issues. I'd reconsider it if these issues are actually not issues!
The other point to note, the new RS6 will be shown in a motorshow in September. I guess it will be released next year? The current RS6 would take a big hit in depreciation on the back of that!
I appreciate you're an Audi specialist. You've also helped me with an issue I had with my S5 which I remain thankful to you for.
I was wondering, how many cracked alloy issues you've seen with the RS6? When I looked into the RS6 there seemed to be so many folks who said they had the issue. I saw a thread somewhere with owners commenting on their alloy issues. The brake shudder also seems to be a similar issue?
I dismissed the RS6 based on these issues. I'd reconsider it if these issues are actually not issues!
The other point to note, the new RS6 will be shown in a motorshow in September. I guess it will be released next year? The current RS6 would take a big hit in depreciation on the back of that!
Cimaguy said:
Hi Dr G,
I appreciate you're an Audi specialist. You've also helped me with an issue I had with my S5 which I remain thankful to you for.
I was wondering, how many cracked alloy issues you've seen with the RS6? When I looked into the RS6 there seemed to be so many folks who said they had the issue. I saw a thread somewhere with owners commenting on their alloy issues. The brake shudder also seems to be a similar issue?
I dismissed the RS6 based on these issues. I'd reconsider it if these issues are actually not issues!
The other point to note, the new RS6 will be shown in a motorshow in September. I guess it will be released next year? The current RS6 would take a big hit in depreciation on the back of that!
Bent alloys can be an issue with 21s. None reported on 20s that I know of. I know of one injector issue in mapped 6. Brake squeal? That stops people buying a car - really?I appreciate you're an Audi specialist. You've also helped me with an issue I had with my S5 which I remain thankful to you for.
I was wondering, how many cracked alloy issues you've seen with the RS6? When I looked into the RS6 there seemed to be so many folks who said they had the issue. I saw a thread somewhere with owners commenting on their alloy issues. The brake shudder also seems to be a similar issue?
I dismissed the RS6 based on these issues. I'd reconsider it if these issues are actually not issues!
The other point to note, the new RS6 will be shown in a motorshow in September. I guess it will be released next year? The current RS6 would take a big hit in depreciation on the back of that!
I loved mine - as do most owners. I would tend to ignore those who have not driven, owned or maintained one, as they are just going on second hand info. Listen to Dr G who knows what he is taking about.
I've not seen a single cracked one; a fair few buckled but not even one that hasn't been a routine repair. For clarity I'm talking really about distortions rather than big dents from htting something, some of our customers have questionable skill behind the wheel but generally they avoid whacking things. Of those that have buckled I think maybe one or two were customer complaints, all of the rest were fairly minor and pointed out by the company that diamond cuts alloy wheels for us (they need to be 100% flat and true to be diamond cut). This isn't a phenomenon unique to RS6s, the guys doing our wheels specialise in DC refurbs and I've had this conversation with them a couple of times, there's a general trend for more repairs to large wheels, particularly those with low profile tyres as well.
Brake noise? Yup, this happens. This is not unique to RS6s. Porsche sell pretty much exclusively cars with large discs and multi-piston calipers, they receive so many customer 'complaints' on this that there's an excellent video on their youtube channel explaining the whats and whys, and that it is simply the nature of the beast.
As for them warping, again, you can do this. Guess what? Not a specific RS6 problem. If you hot-spot a disc (i.e. sit stationary with your foot on the brake when hot) you will warp them. If the discs are not installed correctly (i.e. contamination on mating faces) you will warp them. We've fixed a few for warped discs, on a couple of occasions the discs were worn out anyway and simply required replacement (with careful installation) and a couple with fairly fresh discs did want a light skim - from memory the mating faces of the wheel/s were not completely true and were done at the same time (the likely cause of the brakes warping in the first place). Even this really isn't that common, they rarely last long enough for this to be a problem anyway. Either side of 30k seems to be normal front disc life for RS6/7. I've even seen an R8 suffering brake judder that had a slightly warped hub (has to have been a manufacture defect). If you have some mechanical sympathy and the car is correctly maintained it's unlikely to be an issue.
The injector thing? I know there's been some chatter on RS246 etc. about this but again, this makes it sound like a big issue and it simply isn't. Modern injectors are complex beasts with very, very fine tolerances (thank the emissions gods for this). They can go wrong. I saw a Q5 with a totally normal 2.0 petrol a while back that had suffered a failed injector. It was left unchecked/undiagnosed/missed (assumption) that it leaking fuel caused bore wash and ruined the engine. Not an RS6 exclusive issue.
Depreciation from new model? Deliveries are a year away; a ~2019 car with tiny mileage will probably see some effect from the release of the new but generally we're going to be comparing 50k cars with 90k cars. They're not the same market and not the same buyer.
TL:DR - Generally very, very stout car with no more isolated failures than any other modern car, and fewer than most cars offering similar performance. Cost of consumables commensurate with performance.
Brake noise? Yup, this happens. This is not unique to RS6s. Porsche sell pretty much exclusively cars with large discs and multi-piston calipers, they receive so many customer 'complaints' on this that there's an excellent video on their youtube channel explaining the whats and whys, and that it is simply the nature of the beast.
As for them warping, again, you can do this. Guess what? Not a specific RS6 problem. If you hot-spot a disc (i.e. sit stationary with your foot on the brake when hot) you will warp them. If the discs are not installed correctly (i.e. contamination on mating faces) you will warp them. We've fixed a few for warped discs, on a couple of occasions the discs were worn out anyway and simply required replacement (with careful installation) and a couple with fairly fresh discs did want a light skim - from memory the mating faces of the wheel/s were not completely true and were done at the same time (the likely cause of the brakes warping in the first place). Even this really isn't that common, they rarely last long enough for this to be a problem anyway. Either side of 30k seems to be normal front disc life for RS6/7. I've even seen an R8 suffering brake judder that had a slightly warped hub (has to have been a manufacture defect). If you have some mechanical sympathy and the car is correctly maintained it's unlikely to be an issue.
The injector thing? I know there's been some chatter on RS246 etc. about this but again, this makes it sound like a big issue and it simply isn't. Modern injectors are complex beasts with very, very fine tolerances (thank the emissions gods for this). They can go wrong. I saw a Q5 with a totally normal 2.0 petrol a while back that had suffered a failed injector. It was left unchecked/undiagnosed/missed (assumption) that it leaking fuel caused bore wash and ruined the engine. Not an RS6 exclusive issue.
Depreciation from new model? Deliveries are a year away; a ~2019 car with tiny mileage will probably see some effect from the release of the new but generally we're going to be comparing 50k cars with 90k cars. They're not the same market and not the same buyer.
TL:DR - Generally very, very stout car with no more isolated failures than any other modern car, and fewer than most cars offering similar performance. Cost of consumables commensurate with performance.
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