How not to change brake pads
How not to change brake pads
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matchmaker

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9,078 posts

231 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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My son recently bought an E46 320 Cd. He noticed that the brakes were a bit crap and the discs a bit discoloured, so decided to treat it to a disc and pad change. When he started work he discovered that the bolts, etc, were a bit easier to undo than you might expect on a 14 year old BMW.

Having dismantled the brakes he discovered that both discs and pads were barely worn and looked only a few thousand miles old. The reason for the crap brakes soon became apparent - the plank who had assembled the brakes had put copper grease on both sides of the pads...

Now how the fk can someone who has enough mechanical knowledge to change discs and pads do something as incredibly stupid? confusedconfused

Over over under steer

809 posts

154 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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Wow. Judging by that incompetence I'd tell him to continue and do a full service on it. God know what oil is in it, or for how long......

Limpet

6,628 posts

192 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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The real surprise is that the brakes worked at all.

As above, I think I'd be going over the car with a fine toothed comb now to make sure there are no other nasty surprises. And getting all the fluids and filters changed as a priority.

Pica-Pica

16,703 posts

115 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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matchmaker said:
Having dismantled the brakes he discovered that both discs and pads were barely worn and looked only a few thousand miles old. The reason for the crap brakes soon became apparent - the plank who had assembled the brakes had put copper grease on both sides of the pads...

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Well known cure for rusty disc - did ya not know?
getmecoat

Evercross

6,883 posts

95 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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That's hilarious! Good example of 'a little knowledge' and TBF I think copper grease shouldn't be used as an antisqueal backing anyway.

The only place I put copper grease when changing brakepads is the small contact points between the pads and the cast-iron guides if there isn't already a stainless steel shim already in there.

KungFuPanda

4,651 posts

201 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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What did he do then?

I reckon the discs could be degreased and new pads fitted?

J4CKO

47,031 posts

231 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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I would have thought the grease would just burn off or does it glaze the pad ?

matchmaker

Original Poster:

9,078 posts

231 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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We should be able to clean up the discs, but the pads are too badly contaminated to be saved.

williham

15 posts

139 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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Blimey, well at least they hadn’t seized 😂

l354uge

2,971 posts

152 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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Evercross said:
That's hilarious! Good example of 'a little knowledge' and TBF I think copper grease shouldn't be used as an antisqueal backing anyway.

The only place I put copper grease when changing brakepads is the small contact points between the pads and the cast-iron guides if there isn't already a stainless steel shim already in there.
I've just done my brakes, I fitted new shims aswell as pads and didn't use grease. Didn't want them To get gummed up with dirt. Now they bind a little on tbe rear, worth greasing the pad "ears"?

Section 8

545 posts

220 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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A few years back I decided to do my rear brake pads. I had the pads etc and a clamp to push in the piston and off I went into Sunday mechanic mode.

Pads out and I’m pushing back the piston for access for new pads when I get a fair bit of resistance. Giving it a bit more pressure and nothing gives. No problem!! Let’s get a bar on the handle and give it some beans. Still fighting back I gave it all I could and the clamp bent and snapped clean in two.

Scratching my head I gave my mate a call telling him of the ordeal to which he replied... “ Hmmm those pistons wind in don’t they?”

Cue him laughing and me feeling like a tit . Yes it needed a new caliper after and i purchased a caliper winder tool for future jobs . #bellend

l354uge

2,971 posts

152 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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Section 8 said:
A few years back I decided to do my rear brake pads. I had the pads etc and a clamp to push in the piston and off I went into Sunday mechanic mode.

Pads out and I’m pushing back the piston for access for new pads when I get a fair bit of resistance. Giving it a bit more pressure and nothing gives. No problem!! Let’s get a bar on the handle and give it some beans. Still fighting back I gave it all I could and the clamp bent and snapped clean in two.

Scratching my head I gave my mate a call telling him of the ordeal to which he replied... “ Hmmm those pistons wind in don’t they?”

Cue him laughing and me feeling like a tit . Yes it needed a new caliper after and i purchased a caliper winder tool for future jobs . #bellend
You'd be surprised how many people do this to their mx5, not realising it winds back with a 6mm hex key..

Gafferjim

1,337 posts

296 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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This reminds me of a job that i did in my younger days. I was a HGV fitter in the workshop of a very large HGV manufacturer, the place where problem customers vehicles ended up. Brakes were my speciality, and one day I was given the job on a particular 32 ton HGV artic unit, the model was didn't usually have a problem with brakes. I removed the drums (No discs in those days) to find that someone had electrically welded lines of weld across the braking surface insode the drums, about every 9" apart. Needless to say it chewed up the brake shoes quick stile. New drums & new shoes, all was well.

Bullet-Proof_Biscuit

1,058 posts

108 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Found investigating why the rears weren't doing much on my old Mercedes wagon..





That'll be the smaller diameter rotors from the 1.8L fitted then

SHutchinson

2,385 posts

215 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:
Found investigating why the rears weren't doing much on my old Mercedes wagon..





That'll be the smaller diameter rotors from the 1.8L fitted then
How long had the car been at the bottom of the ocean before you noticed the issue with the small disc?

Sheepshanks

41,307 posts

150 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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matchmaker said:
Now how the fk can someone who has enough mechanical knowledge to change discs and pads do something as incredibly stupid? confusedconfused
It always alarms me when posters on here push people to do their own pads and discs, telling them how simple it is. There's plenty of scope to mess it up if you're not mechanically minded and don't understand what you're doing.

Zarco

21,149 posts

240 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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SHutchinson said:
How long had the car been at the bottom of the ocean before you noticed the issue with the small disc?
laugh

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

315 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:
Found investigating why the rears weren't doing much on my old Mercedes wagon
Took me a minute to see the problem there! eek

Krikkit

27,939 posts

212 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Sheepshanks said:
matchmaker said:
Now how the fk can someone who has enough mechanical knowledge to change discs and pads do something as incredibly stupid? confusedconfused
It always alarms me when posters on here push people to do their own pads and discs, telling them how simple it is. There's plenty of scope to mess it up if you're not mechanically minded and don't understand what you're doing.
I always think exactly the same thing! They can be a bloody minefield, it's also very straight-forward to nip a dust seal and cause yourself all kinds of bother 12 months down the line if you haven't noticed when the caliper starts binding.

Bullet-Proof_Biscuit

1,058 posts

108 months

Thursday 14th February 2019
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Zarco said:
laugh
Look it was a project alright laughlaughlaugh