X3 M40D, real world MPG and general feedback?

[handbraketurn]

Evening all,

I'm seriously considering getting out of my 340i PCP before the new reg, I've only had for 7 months but I can get trade in very close to my settlement figure and I have a bad feeling about residuals over next few years. Apart from the driving position giving me a bad back, it's cost me an absolute arm and leg in fuel, I've put £200 in the tank in a week. I get 16-22mpg with lots of city driving and that's without 'fun drives' when it gets worse.

Considering an oil burning 4x4, but want it also to be fairly fun to drive and not be too slow but return better MPG than I'm getting at present.

Tested the X3 30D and found it pretty dull and slow, although went around a round about on rails. Tested a Macan S today which everyone raves about, couldn't hear the engine, felt really slow and un-responsive and not especially fun to drive.

Testing a 40D tomorrow, which seems more promising but wondered if anyone could share what the real world MPG is? And general ownership?

Cheers,

HBT

[okenemem]

wow, how many miles did you get from the 200 quid you put in that week

[AndrewO]

We had a 340 for 3yrs and yep...frequent petrol station visits but we were around the 30mpg average mark. That went back and I've gone for a 330d this time....with all the anti diesel business going on they are a really good buy. 340 was leased and the 330d was a straight buy.

It took a while to work out the pros and cons...also inc spring'18 changes BMW made etc. I went for a 67 plate...late 2017 which is euro6 but doesn't have the adblue bks. What you do get hit for is the £450pa road tax for 4yrs (mine is 1yr old) but that is offset by the good discount in price.

X3 looks a great car, I would go with the 3.0d on smaller wheels/non runflats.

[Wills2]

£200 a week? In a 340i? Wow that's a heavy right foot you've got, I was spending less £175 per week driving an F10 M5 doing 30,000 miles a year, M3 was £130 a week doing the same mileage so you must either be a taxi driver or use the loud pedal like a switch, a heavy 2 tonne SUV even a diesel won't be much better if your foot is that heavy.

[smashy]

Hi OP cant help you but want to thank you for the heads up re that petrol engine always had a feeling it wasnt as good as internet warriors said I think Diesel hate has calmed down ,yes my euro 5 64 plate F30 30d gets hit in London my CPZ is 50% more than a petrol plus I get hit on parking meters in some Boroughs HOWEVER Euro 6 doesnt get hit at all. My next car with my miles will deffo be another big diesel power/mpg ratio in my car cant be bettered

How is it after 7 months you are out of negative equity did you put down a big deposit? Usually only well in the last quarter of a PCP do you reach parity

Edited by smashy on Thursday 14th February 23:12

[handbraketurn]

The £200 week was about 650 miles. V-power obviously a bit pricey. Mine does have MPPSK which is worse in Sport/Sport+, although unscientifically i'd say about the same in comfort/eco, but it wasn't great before. The temptation to blip it down the gears in sports mode for the childish joy of the exhaust pops def doesn't help economy but I drive it in comfort and eco most of the time at slower speeds. On the motorway sports/+ isn't too bad if your'e cruising because 520 nm of torques.

It's not all heavy right foot, well, some of it is, obviously, but also that I live in a city with heavy, stop start traffic. My commute to work is cold start and edging along for 30 mins, really not ideal for that kind of car. I wasn't living here when I bought it, or I might have made another choice.

On the pure m/way run, I can get 30+, this week I've done a bit of driving around town, some mid range trips and a couple of trips to London (80 miles each way), so m/way and stuff in traffic on the North Circular, stop start into Westminster. And it's currently showing 23.7mpg, that's pretty good for it. And with a bit more motorway, it'll edge up to 27-ish.

I'm not convinced the MPG read out doesn't lie like the marketing, i.e. just tells you a better figure and hopes you don't notice you keep filling up all the time, I should probably work out the actual miles and do the calculation myself, but I haven't done yet, because I haven't been that bored.

Edited by handbraketurn on Thursday 14th February 23:34

Edited by handbraketurn on Thursday 14th February 23:40

[gizlaroc]

My mate at BMW had the new X3 30d and averaged 32mpg in it over the year.
He is now in a 340i saloon and is averaging 29mpg in it.

He loved the X3 though and is getting another one in a month or two.

Be careful though, my 335d was worse on the school run than my 335i, same with the 350d vs the 350 petrol Merc.
It is on a run where the diesels start to make sense.


Why do you think they will take a hit?

The petrol 335i, 340i and 535i are so much more expensive then you can pick up the same age 530d and 335d etc.

Seeing 15 plate 340i Tourings for £25k private still, seen a few 335d same age etc. for £17-18k.

Be careful on the X3 for residuals, they lose around 35% in year one, and by year 4 they have lost 60% easy. That is from list.

[Wills2]

If you do lots of miles and long journeys then diesel makes sense, I've just gone from an M3 that averaged 29mpg over 89,000 miles to a 740d xdrive so far over the first 4000 miles it's averaged 44mpg, 50mpg on a run and around 34mpg on my urban runs, overall my fuel saving is around £200 per month.

I really like the range as well, over 800 miles from a tank on long run, diesel still has it's place.

[beanoir]

Wills2 said:

£200 a week? In a 340i? Wow that's a heavy right foot you've got, I was spending less £175 per week driving an F10 M5 doing 30,000 miles a year, M3 was £130 a week doing the same mileage so you must either be a taxi driver or use the loud pedal like a switch, a heavy 2 tonne SUV even a diesel won't be much better if your foot is that heavy.

Exactly my thoughts, thats dreadful fuel economy and i'm comparing to my F10 M5 too. I've averaged 21.9 MPG over 2.5 years from new in the M5.

[handbraketurn]

beanoir said:

Wills2 said:

£200 a week? In a 340i? Wow that's a heavy right foot you've got, I was spending less £175 per week driving an F10 M5 doing 30,000 miles a year, M3 was £130 a week doing the same mileage so you must either be a taxi driver or use the loud pedal like a switch, a heavy 2 tonne SUV even a diesel won't be much better if your foot is that heavy.

Exactly my thoughts, thats dreadful fuel economy and i'm comparing to my F10 M5 too. I've averaged 21.9 MPG over 2.5 years from new in the M5.

I'm basically getting the same as you. TBF, with the MPPSK, it's 420hp/520NM.

It's much better on a run, but cold starts, short journeys and stop start are not the ideal territories for these kinds of engines.

[smashy]

Being a bit anal but just for the record its more like 360 than 420 to be fair if your talking a 340i with MPPK

re your journeys ,your not going to do much better in a Diesel you know and probably clog the DPF up for good measure.

I went to nottingham and back in my 330d and got 56mpg but creeping round London area mid twenties,

Actually someone on here recently said they got 47mpg on a long run in there M140i which is pretty good isnt it

Edited by smashy on Friday 15th February 18:35

[handbraketurn]

gizlaroc said:

My mate at BMW had the new X3 30d and averaged 32mpg in it over the year.
He is now in a 340i saloon and is averaging 29mpg in it.

He loved the X3 though and is getting another one in a month or two.

Be careful though, my 335d was worse on the school run than my 335i, same with the 350d vs the 350 petrol Merc.
It is on a run where the diesels start to make sense.


Why do you think they will take a hit?

The petrol 335i, 340i and 535i are so much more expensive then you can pick up the same age 530d and 335d etc.

Seeing 15 plate 340i Tourings for £25k private still, seen a few 335d same age etc. for £17-18k.

Be careful on the X3 for residuals, they lose around 35% in year one, and by year 4 they have lost 60% easy. That is from list.

My car had quite a big spec, was £52k in late March 18', and with the MPPSK effectively £55k.

The trade in value is now £25.6k, so that's 51% depreciation on purchase price in 10 months and there is new registrations in March.

After the new reg March 19', the 2019 model will launch, by summer there will be a good few well spec'd 330i demonstrators in the market, probably will competitive APR support from BMWF.

A friend that works for BMW says there is are more of the outgoing model surplus stock coming to market discounted with fin-deals andor chucked out cheap into the lease market.

So I expect by the Sept new reg, mine will take a fairly big hit in residual.

I'd probably fair better in private market given spec and MPPSK, but trade in doesn't really take that into consideration.

[handbraketurn]

smashy said:

Being a bit anal but just for the record its more like 360 than 420 to be fair if your talking a 340i with MPPK

re your journeys ,your not going to do much better in a Diesel you know and probably clog the DPF up for good measure.

I went to nottingham and back in my 330d and got 56mpg but creeping round London area mid twenties,

Actually someone on here recently said they got 47mpg on a long run in there M140i which is pretty good isnt it

Edited by smashy on Friday 15th February 18:35

Sorry, not sure why I put 420, its' 360, you're quite right.

I wouldn't want a 330 or 335, but I would have an AWD because I think diesel suits them better anyway.

The 40d seems to be better than what you're quoting the 3 series, which is odd given extra weight and resistance via AWD, I've asked over on Bimmer post and they're getting in the 30's worse case and early to mid 40's on a run. But perhaps they're not creeping through London as you say.

I tested one today, was really impressed with the shove, it really did shift, and felt revvy and eager, much more so than the Macan I tested.

Even sounds quite good in the cabin with the fake sounds, well judged and not too obviously fake, gave a nice sense of speed and excitement....for a diesel.

Handled very well in the corner and I throw it into a few round about's and was on rails. Not sure you'd call it 'fun' but I could certinly live with it and actually preferred it from the Macan.

Alas, any fuel cost saving would be negated by the cost of swapping.

So I'm not sure I'll take the leap for a while. Just going to re-fi my 340.

Edited by handbraketurn on Friday 15th February 18:48

[aaron_2000]

Our 340i was miles better than the 35d X3 it replaced. Better on fuel, better driving experience, more enjoyable car. The boot isn't exactly big on the new X3 either with that sloping roof line, would be better off with a 530d and enjoy the nicer interior. Can't see how any big engined car would be better for you tbh, the 340i was impressive for MPG, it did better on a run than the X3 did.

[Hoofy]

Dunno about prices but consider the Mercedes GLC 350D.

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/mercedes...

"Here 350d means the venerable 3.0-litre V6 turbodiesel, tuned to produce a sturdy 255bhp of power and peak torque of a rather more muscular 457lb ft."

It certainly surprised me when I tried one.