54 in a 40
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Integroo

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11,631 posts

115 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Sister just got a NIP for 54 in a 40. Passed her test two months ago. £100 and 3 points, no offer of a course.

Am i right in thinking that:

  • 2mph more and she may have got 6 points and lost her licence
  • she wasn't offered a course as too fast, can't ask to do it to avoid points, and therefore will lose her licence if snapped again in next 2 years
  • she needs to tell her insurance immediately and given she is a new driver her premium is likely to rocket
Thanks

giantdefy

700 posts

143 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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1 mph too fast for a course. Should check insurance docs to see if it has to be reported now or only on renewal.


FWIW

3,929 posts

127 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Sounds about right.

That'll learn her...
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agtlaw

7,404 posts

236 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Integroo said:
Sister just got a NIP for 54 in a 40. Passed her test two months ago. £100 and 3 points, no offer of a course.

Am i right in thinking that:

  • 2mph more and she may have got 6 points and lost her licence
  • she wasn't offered a course as too fast, can't ask to do it to avoid points, and therefore will lose her licence if snapped again in next 2 years
  • she needs to tell her insurance immediately and given she is a new driver her premium is likely to rocket
Thanks
You've obviously read something inaccurate on the internet. Probably one of the numerous misleading publications from April 2017.

54/40 is usually too fast for a course but within the threshold for a fixed penalty. The same thing applies to 56/40. If you didn't comply with the fixed penalty conditions and court proceedings were commenced then 56/40 would mean a 3-6 points or a ban (usually 4 points at that speed).

She may be given the opportunity to attend another course (e.g. motorway course or NSAC 20). It's not entirely accurate that only one course can be completed every three years.

If she accrues 6 or more penalty points within the first 2 years of passing her test (where offence date is the relevant date) then her licence will be revoked by DVLA.

Insurance depends on her policy. Some require immediate notification. Some require the information at renewal. Check the policy and if in any doubt then declare immediately.


agtlaw

7,404 posts

236 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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giantdefy said:
1 mph too fast for a course. Should check insurance docs to see if it has to be reported now or only on renewal.

chart
That chart is years out of date.

matjk

1,112 posts

170 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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The 1mph is an ouch frown I wonder is she was doing 54.0001 mph or 54.99999 mph , that .0001 mph could make all the difference

giantdefy

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143 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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agtlaw said:
giantdefy said:
1 mph too fast for a course. Should check insurance docs to see if it has to be reported now or only on renewal.

chart
That chart is years out of date.
In what way is it out of date? I believe the data to be correct as used in England and Wales.

agtlaw

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Friday 15th February 2019
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giantdefy said:
In what way is it out of date? I believe the data to be correct as used in England and Wales.
You believe wrong.

giantdefy

700 posts

143 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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agtlaw said:
giantdefy said:
In what way is it out of date? I believe the data to be correct as used in England and Wales.
You believe wrong.
Well do something useful for a change and tell me what is wrong and what is now right

agtlaw

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236 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Try this one. The same but different.



Even this version is old as 'Summons' has been replaced with 'SPJN'.

Integroo

Original Poster:

11,631 posts

115 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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agtlaw said:
You've obviously read something inaccurate on the internet. Probably one of the numerous misleading publications from April 2017.

54/40 is usually too fast for a course but within the threshold for a fixed penalty. The same thing applies to 56/40. If you didn't comply with the fixed penalty conditions and court proceedings were commenced then 56/40 would mean a 3-6 points or a ban (usually 4 points at that speed).

She may be given the opportunity to attend another course (e.g. motorway course or NSAC 20). It's not entirely accurate that only one course can be completed every three years.

If she accrues 6 or more penalty points within the first 2 years of passing her test (where offence date is the relevant date) then her licence will be revoked by DVLA.

Insurance depends on her policy. Some require immediate notification. Some require the information at renewal. Check the policy and if in any doubt then declare immediately.
Thanks. Just to be clear, she will get a fixed penalty AND 3 points? That's what the letter suggests. No course has been offered or mentioned so there is no way she can ask to do a course, correct?

n.b. she is an idiot and no idea how she managed to get snapped doing 54 in a 40 so soon after her test. I have managed to never get a ticket in the 6 years or so I have been driving, much quicker cars than she has!

superlightr

12,920 posts

293 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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giantdefy said:
agtlaw said:
giantdefy said:
In what way is it out of date? I believe the data to be correct as used in England and Wales.
You believe wrong.
Well do something useful for a change and tell me what is wrong and what is now right
very demanding of you! "something useful for a change" - that's just being rude.

agtlaw gives out lots of good info - how do you contribute with your demands?




Edited by superlightr on Friday 15th February 12:18

giantdefy

700 posts

143 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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superlightr said:
giantdefy said:
agtlaw said:
giantdefy said:
In what way is it out of date? I believe the data to be correct as used in England and Wales.
You believe wrong.
Well do something useful for a change and tell me what is wrong and what is now right
very demanding of you!

agtlaw gives out lots of good info - how do you contribute with your demands?
I agree that agtlaw does good stuff but he is inclined to the 'no you're wrong' type answers rather than 'no you are wrong it is now like this' type of answer which would be more useful.

He has replied to my query with a useful up dated chart which would have been more useful in the original reply.

ElectricPics

761 posts

111 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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giantdefy said:
I agree that agtlaw does good stuff but he is inclined to the 'no you're wrong' type answers rather than 'no you are wrong it is now like this' type of answer which would be more useful.

He has replied to my query with a useful up dated chart which would have been more useful in the original reply.
I get the impression that he has a slight patience issue with providing information that can be found on the internet in 30 seconds.

Ian Geary

5,617 posts

222 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Integroo said:
n.b. she is an idiot and no idea how she managed to get snapped doing 54 in a 40 so soon after her test.
Probably by driving past a speed camera at 54mph in a 40 limit.

Hth!


Ian


Monkeylegend

29,238 posts

261 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Integroo said:
n.b. she is an idiot and no idea how she managed to get snapped doing 54 in a 40 so soon after her test. I have managed to never get a ticket in the 6 years or so I have been driving, much quicker cars than she has!
You can actually drive quick cars at the speed limit if you want to smile

Integroo

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115 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Ian Geary said:
Probably by driving past a speed camera at 54mph in a 40 limit.

Hth!


Ian
Yes, but a few months past your test you should be still being extra careful!

Brainpox

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181 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Integroo said:
Yes, but a few months past your test you should be still being extra careful!
I got caught shortly after passing my test. Too busy looking at the road rather than my speedo. Taught me a lesson hehe

TwigtheWonderkid

49,087 posts

180 months

Friday 15th February 2019
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Integroo said:
Sister just got a NIP for 54 in a 40. Passed her test two months ago. £100 and 3 points, no offer of a course.

Am i right in thinking that:

  • 2mph more and she may have got 6 points and lost her licence
  • she wasn't offered a course as too fast, can't ask to do it to avoid points, and therefore will lose her licence if snapped again in next 2 years
  • she needs to tell her insurance immediately and given she is a new driver her premium is likely to rocket
Thanks
Your second point, 2 years and 10 months.
Your third point, no , she doesn't need to disclose this until next renewal. Loads of people will now come on and tell you that's wrong and it depends on her policy etc. etc, but they are all wrong. She can disclose it now if she wants (although she is under no obligation to do so) and they cannot charge her extra premium until next renewal, but they can charge a huge admin fee to note it, if that's in their Tc & Cs. So just wait until next renewal.

Cold

16,708 posts

120 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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No kittens were harmed whilst she was driving, however the same can't be said about the duration of this thread.