OK PH, I have a grammar question for you.

[Shuvi McTupya]

I am visiting my father (who is an ex journalist) and I noticed that in an email he had written "Pat and me" (Pat being his wife)

I was surprised..I told him I thought it should be "Pat and I" and he said that in the context he was using it you would never say 'and I'.

I can't think of any context where 'someone else and me' is correct and 'someone else and I' is incorrect.

me is right amn't I?

[PositronicRay]

Shuvi McTupya said:

I am visiting my father (who is an ex journalist) and I noticed that in an email he had written "Pat and me" (Pat being his wife)

I was surprised..I told him I thought it should be "Pat and I" and he said that in the context he was using it you would never say 'and I'.

I can't think of any context where 'someone else and me' is correct and 'someone else and I' is incorrect.

me is right amn't I?

No

[chrisga]

The cake was made by Pat and me, although, Pat and I made the cake..... (I think).
If you remove Pat "The cake was made by me" and "I made the cake". The cake was made by I sounds wrong, and me made the cake sounds wrong. Still not sure if I'm correct though....

[anonymous-user]

He's right, depends on context. Take out the 'Pat and' bit from the sentence and see if 'me' or 'I' sounds correct.

[Mr Pointy]

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/i-or-me

[Shuvi McTupya]

Spumfry said:

He's right, depends on context. Take out the 'Pat and' bit from the sentence and see if 'me' or 'I' sounds correct.

That is what he is saying but if you take the other person out, that changes everything !

[Johnniem]

'Sue and I went to school' - because if you took out the reference to Sue, the statement would be 'I went to school'.

If the sentence should contain 'me' where there is no other reference to another person, then it would be 'me' when another person is referred to:-

'Mum said she would forgive Sue and me for not clearing up' - because 'Mum said she would forgive I for not clearing up' wouldn't make sense.

The end.

[ChrisMCoupe]

You would need to know the full context of the sentence in which he used "Pat and me".

For example, if he said "Pat and me are looking forward to seeing you", that's incorrect.

However if he said, "Call us before you arrive, or you'll walk in on Pat and me", that's ok.

[Shuvi McTupya]

The sentence was along the lines of 'pat and me need your advice/help

[5pen]

For example and as I understand it, "thank you for inviting Pat and me" would be correct. The test would be if Pat wasn't included you wouldn't say "thank you for inviting I...".

Equally "Pat and I would be delighted to accept your invitation" would be correct as "I would be delighted..." is correct if Pat was not welcome.

These days people tend to say "myself" to sound posh, like.

[Shuvi McTupya]

Ok, this is obviously not as cut and dried as I thought! I will quote the full sentence later, I don't want to check his PC without asking and he is having a nap..

[anonymous-user]

Shuvi McTupya said:

The sentence was along the lines of 'pat and me need your advice/help

well that sounds wrong then...should be 'Pat and I'...

e.g. "Pat and I have been invited to a swingers' party...should we go?"

unless it's

"the local swingers have invited Pat and me to a party...should we go?"

Edited by Spumfry on Wednesday 20th February 17:08

Edited by Spumfry on Wednesday 20th February 17:13

[Shuvi McTupya]

So..movie titles such as 'the king and I' and 'withnail and I' are correct?

[geeks]

Shuvi McTupya said:

So..movie titles such as 'the king and I' and 'withnail and I' are correct?

Yes

[anonymous-user]

Shuvi McTupya said:

So..movie titles such as 'the king and I' and 'withnail and I' are correct?

As standalone statements I can think of more times where 'Withnail and me' would be correct. Grammar's tricky.

[Shuvi McTupya]

Spumfry said:

As standalone statements I can think of more times where 'Withnail and me' would be correct. Grammar's tricky.

It would appear so!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Shuvi McTupya said:

Spumfry said:

As standalone statements I can think of more times where 'Withnail and me' would be correct. Grammar's tricky.

It would appear so!

The King and I is really tricky. Basically, I would say it's right, because it's about their relationship. How the King & I get along together. If the King wasn't involved, it would be about how "I" get along on my own, not about how "me" gets along on my own.

But on the other hand, the film is also about how all the king's children and other wives view the king and I, which should of course be how they view the king and me, because if the king wasn't there, they would only be seeing me, not I.

So either could be right, but there's not enough evidence to pronounce it wrong. IMHO.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Shuvi McTupya said:

The sentence was along the lines of 'pat and me need your advice/help

Pat and I need your advice.

or

Can you offer advice to Pat and me?

[DickyC]

Try it in the singular and then add the other person.

I am going - Tom and I are going.

You are going with me - You are going with Tom and me.

[Macneil]

ha ha this my pet grammar hate, when snobs say ..."and I"

I is a subjective pronoun, so I do things. Me is an objective pronoun. Things are done to me. John and I gave Tommy a lift. Tommy gave John and me a lift.